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(Message started by: Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 9:20am)

Title: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 9:20am

Hi everybody.

Have just got myself a 24v Ultima, it's great except for the engine noises.

I think the o/s cam tensioner and oil pump sprocket have failed as the rattle is now dreadful and the oil light comes on under 2500 rpm.

I went to the local Main dealer the other day and phoned a couple of others to be told the tensioner is delisted and now unavailable.

Any ideas where I might get a Tensioner or would it be best to just change the engine?

I really don't want to scrap the car as that would be a waste of a otherwise perfectly good car.

Thanks.

Chris.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by gozz on Jul 6^th, 2009, 9:46am

Grannypower.
I ordered that very thing last summer from FMD,every time I call in they say"still on back order mate",suppose I will have to tell em it's obsolete >:(
People on here still have used parts for the BOB,someone may pop up.I have a spare engine but it's still mounted in a Grosvenor limousine.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 10:37am

I'm not sure how the Ford parts system works but is it possible that a Dealer somewhere in the country has one in stock?

And is it possibly not the tensioner that has failed but the chain guides as I believe that some of those are still available?

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by scorpio_man on Jul 6^th, 2009, 10:44am

hi there

it's the chain that stretches and the tensioner can't take up the slack that break the chain guides.

also, if oil light is on at low revs, i'd change the engine rather find other things wrong with your own on strip down.

hth

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 10:51am

I took off the Cam cover on the r/h bank and found that the top guide plate between the cams had a groove in it and had been pushed up by the chain slapping it.

Is it then possible that I only need to find the guides and a new timing chain ?

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by scorpio_man on Jul 6^th, 2009, 10:59am

hi there

it's recommended that you replace everything as it's all beded in together.

that's easier said than done though as 1. there's the cost and 2. trying to find the parts.

the parts do come up every now and then on ebay.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/timingchain29.htm

hth
hth

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Highlander on Jul 6^th, 2009, 4:40pm

2nd hand engine time unless you're really keen ;)

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 5:20pm

Might have to go down that route if I cant find the parts.

Would probably be easier to change engine than fiddle with existing one anyway, I just find it infuriating that I cant drive the thing because of a couple of broken bits of plastic a chain and a cog. :-[

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by gozz on Jul 6^th, 2009, 6:28pm

Grannypower.
See Rich 1 in off topics 'another one bites the dust' !
GOZZ.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 6^th, 2009, 6:55pm

Thanks for that GOZZ.

Have sent Rich 1 a PM, hopefully he still has the car as it's not too far from where I am in Woking.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by amigafan2003 on Jul 7^th, 2009, 2:37pm

When I ordered the parts for a timing chain job last year I was also told the tensioners were obsolete.

FPUK really struggled to get me the 1008390 tensioner blade - they found one in Germany that they got for me - the blades have all be "delisted" as well now I'm told.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 7^th, 2009, 5:08pm

Just had e-mail from FPUK and the oil pump sprocket is no longer available either.

Definitely think it's going to be exchange engine/car time. :'(

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 7^th, 2009, 6:39pm

Ironically, this tells that the 24V is generally superb quality and cam chain jobs so rare the parts are not worth selling. Knock on wood.

Anyway, I checked with the local Ford here in Finland. Chains and tensioners are available, but the price was 150e for a tensioner. It was not discontinued, but e.g. shocks and road springs were.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 7^th, 2009, 9:41pm

I hadn't thought of trying in europe.

My brother lives in Luxembourg so I might see if he can get the bits for me.

I still think that the tensioner might be ok and I might just need the blades, oil pump sprocket and the chain.

Problem being I don't want to strip it apart until I know I can get the bits to put it back together.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 8^th, 2009, 7:24am

In Finland this company does a lot of mail ordering:

www.teroanttilaoy.fi and email varaosat (at) teroanttilaoy.fi

Write him with a list of FINIS (found at the 24V cam chain replacement guide) and see what he says, I'm quite sure he speaks english.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by martin_rowe on Jul 8^th, 2009, 8:55am

there is quite a list of parts that will be needed for the job, dont forget the cam sprockets, usuallt at least 2 will be us.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by pinto on Jul 9^th, 2009, 5:23pm

Off down the local engineering company to have the tensioners copied out of phospor bronze....

Starting the bidding at £1000 a set ;D

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 11^th, 2009, 10:30am

I have taken the cam cover off and the cam sprockets don't look too bad, though I haven't got new ones to compare them with.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by pinto on Jul 12^th, 2009, 6:56pm

on 07/09/09 at 17:23:25, pinto wrote:

Off down the local engineering company to have the tensioners copied out of phospor bronze....

Starting the bidding at £1000 a set ;D

Well what do you know.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tensioner-blade-Ford-2-9-24v-Cosworth-BOA-91-to-94_W0QQitemZ280363084435QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item4146f12a93&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1689|293%3A2|294%3A50

Not too far from the price either, if you want a full set.... :o

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Highlander on Jul 12^th, 2009, 7:07pm

BOA? is it the same one as the BOB?

At £218 i'd be after the whole engine though, in fact the whole car! }{

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 12^th, 2009, 7:32pm

on 07/12/09 at 19:07:54, Highlander wrote:

BOA? is it the same one as the BOB?

At £218 i'd be after the whole engine though, in fact the whole car! }{

And I thought Ford Finland was ripping desperate owners off for 150 euros for a tensioner. It was not discontinued here yet.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by Grannypower on Jul 12^th, 2009, 10:31pm

At least you can still buy them. :'( :'(

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 13^th, 2009, 7:25am

on 07/12/09 at 22:31:26, Grannypower wrote:

At least you can still buy them. :'( :'(

Yes but just the cumpulsory parts would be 700-800 euros + add 8 hours of labour. The guide written some years ago added up to less than half of that.

Title: Re: 24v Parts Availability (Cam Chain Tensioner)
Post by martin_rowe on Jul 13^th, 2009, 8:56am

BOA parts wont fit.