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(Message started by: tiff on Nov 16th, 2009, 4:18pm)

Title: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 16th, 2009, 4:18pm
Ok I went to see a Scorpio Ultima Estate at the weekend and agreed to buy it, but the HPi report the garage have done shows it as Cat C.
This is due to someone going into the rear and cracking the back bumper. This was done through the insurance and consequently deemed uneconomical to repair  :(
Are they in general harder to insure?

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by amigafan2003 on Nov 16th, 2009, 5:08pm
They don't cost and more to insure, they are just worth slightly less on the 2nd hand market.

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by a900one on Nov 17th, 2009, 4:53pm
As its a scorpio the differance in price will be very small  ;D

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by twinturbo on Nov 17th, 2009, 7:07pm
No difference at all, our Galaxy and mondeo are both Cat C, and as they are minor damage and inspected anyway the insurance company could not give a fig...

Chances are there was virtualy no damage to the Scorpio. Although bumpers can explode into a bazillion pices if somone sneezes on them ( not like a good solid sierra bumper ;) )

TT

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 17th, 2009, 9:54pm
yeah good old Sierra's lol

well have another to see this weekend so will see.


Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 18th, 2009, 8:53am
dealer mailed me today, to say car has slight 'cattle grid' shake when coming to a stop when car is cold.
didn't do this when I drove it, but he thought he'd let me know. It's only done it once to him

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by Simmo on Nov 18th, 2009, 9:00am
I take it that you know what this is and have read THIS (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cattle.htm) ?? :)

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 18th, 2009, 9:59am
so I can assume then that the torque converter is shot? not even a box oil and filter change will fix than then?

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by Tompion on Nov 18th, 2009, 11:00am

on 11/18/09 at 09:59:20, tiff wrote:
so I can assume then that the torque converter is shot? not even a box oil and filter change will fix than then?


I don’t think you should assume what the dealer describes as “slight 'cattle grid' shake when coming to a stop when car is cold” is the same as the “Cattle grid effect” as described on the site. It’s just a description & not necessarily connected.

Dave

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 18th, 2009, 11:20am
it didn't do it when I drove it and it was driven for 1st time in months then. ho hum.
Dont wish to buy then have probs with gearbox :'(

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 18th, 2009, 12:05pm
latest from the garage
" have spoken with the customer and he withdrew the claim as the repair estimate was £1***, thus writing the vehicle off. It would appear that he spoke with my business partner about an inspection, to verify the chassis plate and he was told by my business partner (David) that he would deal with it, it would have been nice to have been informed!! The car has been MOT’d by us yesterday and passed, where we looked at the rear floor etc and to “my eyes” there is no obvious damage to the floor. I am unable to remove the “Cat C Marker” unless the vehicle has a replacement rear panel and bumper. I think this is something you should consider, before going any further.
I for my part, am considering advertising the vehicle on Ebay, with the “Cat C” mentioned and selling the vehicle for a reduced price."


Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by pinto on Nov 18th, 2009, 6:34pm
Save him the bother and make a "reduced" offer on his original asking price  ;D

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 19th, 2009, 9:51am
whilst it's not a new car, I'm stepping away from it....

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by amigafan2003 on Nov 19th, 2009, 10:19am
Good decision.


Quote:
I for my part, am considering advertising the vehicle on Ebay, with the “Cat C” mentioned and selling the vehicle for a reduced price.


He was trying to goad you into buying it - i.e. buy it now or someone else will!

To be fair though, I couldn't care less about a cat c marker on a car under £2k.

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 19th, 2009, 11:04am
that's fair enough. I saw the mot advise sheet and that plus the gearbox potential issue made me decide

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by Highlander on Nov 19th, 2009, 11:10am
I've bought a few Cat C and D vehicles, it doesnt take much to write a Scorpio off on a cat C or D, a couple of light units or a bumper will do it :)

Has it been repaired?? It will need to be to pass the inspection.

The "cattle grid" he describes sounds like it could be wishbone bushes or discs, nothing serious.

Definitely nothing to suggest a gearbox problem.

Go for it but at a cheap price, Scorpios arent worth much so a Cat C is a good lever to get it for less ;)

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Nov 19th, 2009, 11:32am
rear panel bent underneath so not repaired.
fair amount of corrosion underneath too.
I expect it will appear on ebay soon

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 19th, 2009, 12:05pm
Personally, I would look around for another one.

As Stuart (Highlander) says there are plenty around cheap, and from what you've said about it I know for a fact Stuart and others on here have broke up better ones !!

HTH Dave

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Dec 21st, 2009, 12:48am
well having reviewed my situation, I;ve called off the search for one for a while.
maybe again inthe future sometime ;)

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by Baz on Dec 21st, 2009, 9:28pm
Tif,

the trouble is now that finding a "good one" with low mileage is nigh on impossible as most Scorpios were bought initially for the fleet market and had a good mileage on them before being thrust onto the second hand market. Who know though, I hope I am wrong!!

baz

Title: Re: Cat C.....
Post by tiff on Dec 22nd, 2009, 3:52am
I know that; mileage doesn't bother me really, but I was unsure on the gap on an average car and a better, when available.
Good cars are out there but time isn't on my side, so have had to get another car for the meantime.
I will own another one day!



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