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(Message started by: georgeodyphotos on May 25th, 2010, 9:00am)
Title: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 25th, 2010, 9:00am
Had a brilliant evening on Sunday at a Queen tribute concert. On the way home,a cat ran in front of me and I braked, heard a thud and thought I heard the animal being dragged along under the car. I stopped, the cat walked off, albeit dragging a back leg and after investigation, I found it and it's owner and promised to check back in a day or so on it's condition. So far so good.  After half a mile or so, my drive gave up and the car wouldn't move. I just managed to roll home and found a trail of fluid along the road. Next morning, a huge pool under the car, phoned garage, had it taken away and I'm told that the oil cooler is bust. So the girl thingy appeared to survive, my car didn't.  An expensive evening!! How could this happen? Does anyone have such an item please?
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 25th, 2010, 9:13am
George.
Do you REALLY need the secondary cooler ? I reckon if you don,t use the car for towing,or cane the thing to death the radiator cooler would cope on it's own.You could certainly join the pipes together to get you mobile.
                                     GOZZ.
                                         
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 25th, 2010, 1:39pm
Hi Gozz,
Thanks for your reply.
First of all, my text seems to have changed since I typed it. I actually wrote "the cat appeared to survive". It has magically changed to "girl thingy". How weird....

Now I do tow occasionally, but are you saying the gearbox doesn't necessarily need this cooler? Does it just cool the automatic gearbox fluid?
George.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on May 25th, 2010, 3:54pm
George, let me have a look in the pit ( aka my garage ;-) ) tonight & see if i have a spare oil cooler. If you can hang on until the 14th june im coming down your way with the brood for a holiday ( a place called Watchitt ) & i can always bring it with me :-) . Will let you know if i have one... Craig
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 25th, 2010, 4:49pm
How bizarre, where is this secondary cooler located?
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 25th, 2010, 6:25pm
Hi Craig,
That's very kind of you. I think I heard from you before concerning an aerial. You said then that you were coming to WATCHET. Well that would be great. I can get the garage to by-pass the cooler for now and then fit the replacement later.  Keep in touch.

All the best,
George.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Highlander on May 25th, 2010, 7:20pm

on 05/25/10 at 16:49:50, Mike H wrote:
How bizarre, where is this secondary cooler located?


Below and in front of the radiator and condenser (if fitted)
Its a small radiator type assembly and i've seen a few scorpios run fine with them removed and the pipes joined as Gozz says
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Jonnycab on May 26th, 2010, 2:13am
How did the secondary cooler get damaged by running over a moggy ?....the engine under tray should've protected it....unless yours is missing  :-/
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on May 26th, 2010, 7:56am
Hi george. Yep i have a cooler & will check the condition of it this weekend for you. What type of ariel do you have. ? ? Is it fixed position ( screws onto the roof mount ) or the thin ariel on the adjustable base ? . Im assuming because it's an 'R' reg it will be the fixed position version.  I have both types so not a problem...Not too sure exactly where in the garage they are though :-) :-)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 26th, 2010, 8:22am
Jonnycab, I really don't know how it happened. The under tray is intact. Surely it can't be a coincidence that the fluid started pumping out immediately after the collision?
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 26th, 2010, 8:29am
Thanks Craig.
The aerial is the fixed type. I hope the cooler is ok.  If so, you must let me know what you want for it, besides a conducted tour of Watchet, ha ha. How do you get the smileys to work? Nothing happens when I do them.

George.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 26th, 2010, 10:40am

on 05/26/10 at 02:13:46, Jonnycab wrote:
How did the secondary cooler get damaged by running over a moggy ?....the engine under tray should've protected it....unless yours is missing  :-/


JC.
I reckon a pus-y could be propelled through the gap between the bumper and the undertray,but I don't think a dog would fit !!
                         GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Highlander on May 26th, 2010, 10:56am

on 05/26/10 at 10:40:31, gozz wrote:
JC.
I reckon a pus-y could be propelled through the gap between the bumper and the undertray,but I don't think a dog would fit !!
                         GOZZ.


Is that a challenge?? :D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 26th, 2010, 12:59pm

on 05/26/10 at 02:13:46, Jonnycab wrote:
How did the secondary cooler get damaged by running over a moggy ?....the engine under tray should've protected it....unless yours is missing  :-/

Precisely what is mystifying me!!
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 26th, 2010, 1:05pm
Unless it's a shock related thing, dunno say it's on the verge of metal fatigue or something and the impact pushed it over the edge and cracked it.

I'd be interested what you find on the original one (?)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 26th, 2010, 1:38pm
Well folks, I will keep you posted on what I find when I collect the car. I have asked the garage to join the pipes together in the short term, but haven't seen it since the car was collected on Monday morning.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Highlander on May 26th, 2010, 2:52pm
My prediction is that the cat hit the Nearside and cracked/broke one of the inlet or outlet pipes, they are very weak around the join ;)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 26th, 2010, 10:49pm
Yes Stuart,the aluminium tubes erode where they join the end tank and will eventually drop off unaided !!what happened to good old copper and brass ? too pricey perhaps.
Regarding the dog entering the front of the car,I will try and abduct my mates wifes nasty little chihuahua,it lurks in a little box just inside the front door,when you go past it rips your trousers,I bet you could propel that through the gap and let it have a gob full of Scorpio ;)
                                 GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on May 27th, 2010, 7:56am
Gozz.... Dont forget to take photos m8 ;-) :-)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 27th, 2010, 4:53pm
Drop kick http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/thlaugh.gif
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 27th, 2010, 10:03pm
Well guys, have collected the car, seen the cooler and Gozz and Highlander were both correct, in that one of the pipes had corroded and come away from the cooler after the impact. Temporarily joined pipes together until replacement is obtained (hopefully 14th June). Thanks for all interest and advice.
Just a thought, couldn't what's left of the old pipes be ground off and new ones brazed on?

George.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 27th, 2010, 10:17pm
You would need to find a skillful aluminium welder George,or clean it up thoroughly and do a cold repair with a modern resin,there is of course very little pressure in the coolers,the oil just flows gently round and back to the box.
                                        GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by a900one on May 27th, 2010, 10:22pm
What about tapping them, 1/8 bsp or somthing like that, and putting in hose ends. There might not be enough thickness of metal, but just a thought.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 27th, 2010, 10:42pm
Yes the idea,s good,there may be enough metal to tap and resin as well,best not to drop swarf in the cooler though !!
                                   GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 28th, 2010, 8:03pm
Sounds like a plan . . . .

Without the swarf bit ;D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 29th, 2010, 11:50am
Will it be harmful to use the car now without the cooler, to move my caravan about five miles?
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on May 29th, 2010, 5:36pm
NO,unless you are climbing a mountain.
                                        GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on May 29th, 2010, 6:33pm
Thanks Gozz. I have moved it now. There were a couple of short climbs but it seems ok.
I guess I shouldn't do any distances with the 'van though until the cooler is replaced?

George
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 29th, 2010, 6:38pm
I wouldn't think so ;D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on May 30th, 2010, 5:19pm
Well i had a look at the cossie cooler & im afraid to say it is suffering from what looks like 'fractures' in the pipework :-(....BUT... Dont despair. I also have a cooler taken from a 12 valve & it looks identical. Same size, same amount of cooling rows & is in good nick ;-). The best thing to do is take it, try it & if it does the job just make a donation to the site :-). As for the ariel....... Still cant find it :-(. Im beginning to wonder if the mice have made off with it !!!. I will P.M. you my number & we can meet up when im down there. Cheers... Craig
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 30th, 2010, 8:20pm
The mice in my shed usually leave empty seed kernels on the floor, but haven't managed to make off with anything yet ;D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on May 30th, 2010, 11:51pm
I have BIG mice in my shed and they leave currants and raisins all over the floor, god only knows where they get them from, I did offer to collect some for the wife once to make a currant cake with, but she threw something at me and told me I'm a thicko. http://serve.mysmiley.net/confused/confused0024.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on May 31st, 2010, 12:12pm
lol, a bit unnecessary ;D

Think ours might be kosher field mice not your ornary grey ones, they seem more tidy :D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by pinto on Jun 3rd, 2010, 5:08pm
Personally,  i think that the standard cooler is a bit pants - you can buy much better rated ones from Ebay (Ebay US is better, even with postage) and put them somewhere much less damageable :)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Highlander on Jun 3rd, 2010, 7:22pm
Like up above the front crossmember?? ;D

http://i27.tinypic.com/70xrhk.jpg
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on Jun 8th, 2010, 12:15pm
George. P.M. :-) See you next week ( just hope the weather improves ) ;-) :-)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Chris_Basel on Jun 9th, 2010, 2:41pm
Are there any more pictures of this lightweight Scorpio model, Stuart?

Chris
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Highlander on Jun 11th, 2010, 8:08pm
Just the original thread, couple of videos too

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=cars;action=display;num=1248703721;start=
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on Jul 30th, 2010, 6:54pm
Thanks Craig (Tons of Fun) The cooler is fine. Just fitted. Now can anyone tell me if a non speed sensor steering rack can be fitted to the Cossie?  I need a replacement rack and all the second hand ones seem to be without the sensor. I can't afford a new one and MOT is due soon. I would be glad of any advice.  Thanks
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by gozz on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:59pm
Yes George,just tie the plug up out of the way.
                             GOZZ.
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Tons_of_fun on Jul 31st, 2010, 7:17pm
Glad you are now sorted George & may i say what a pleasure it was to meet you. Next time im down your way we must meet up for that pint you mentioned ;-). As Gozz said, yep you can fit a non speed sensative rack. I did to my cossie & tbh i prefered it ( although the missus did struggle a bit ).......Bonus :-) :-)
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by Mike H on Jul 31st, 2010, 8:21pm
Wicked! ;D
Title: Re: Oil cooler for R reg 24 valve Cossie
Post by georgeodyphotos on Aug 1st, 2010, 12:24pm
Thanks for that, Craig.  It was good meeting you too and we'll certainly have that pint next time.  As for the rack, how much difference does it actually make? In any case I will go ahead and buy the nss rack as they seem to be plentiful on the second hand market.
Thanks again guys.


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