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(Message started by: blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:03pm)

Title: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:03pm

hi, really need some help on this one.
i cannot get my 2.5 diesel to start up. problems first started when one of the push rods came out of place, which was due to it snapping the metal plate that runs over the top. this has now been fixed but now the car refuses to start.
the car turns over but just will not fire. the battery went flat on the car, with being stood for a couple of months but have charged it up and still have no joy with it. also, i have no dashboard lights and the red led on top of the dash does nothing, i have checked the fuses, all of which seem to be intact. have taken the shroud off the steering wheel and cannot find the pats transponder receiver, so does this mean the car has no immobiliser? also, the only key that i have been given for the car has no chip inside it but before the incident with the pushrod it started everytime, with no problem.
many thanks in advance
steve

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:08pm

Hello and welcome :)

Has you're battery been disconnected?

if so, have all the wires been reconnected on the -ve terminal?

Its easy to miss the small one.

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:13pm

hi, yes. the battery has been disconnected but all the wires that i can see are connected back up. there is a small red which is connected to the red side and a small thin black one that is connected to the negative side. i can take a pic to show you but dont know how to upload to the forum or should i email it you?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:17pm

Make sure theres not one still tucked under the battery.

Just to clarify, you have no ignition or dash lights at all but the engine cranks over?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:20pm

will double check but dont think there is any wires underneath battery.
the car started doin funny things like putting side lights on even with the switch off the ther dash lights started dimming down and now wont light anything. there is no light on the cc or the dashboard and the engine does turn but wont start

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:25pm

Possibly ignition relay, if you have the heated windscreen try swapping relays 18 and 21 in the battery side fusebox, they are identical.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/battery_fusebox.gif

I'd also remove your light switch and check the back of it, they can overheat and short out.

Could be a wiring or fusebox problem, check the fuseboxes for water, especially the passenger side one, the lid unclips and the bottom unclips in a similar fashion, it may have water in the bottom of it.

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:36pm

have just checked the passenger side one and cannot see no signs of water. cant get the drivers side one to come apart though

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:38pm

have removed the lightswitch, still no joy, cannot see signs of overheating, the is nothing melted around the pins or wires? the car only has rear screen heating not windscreen?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:44pm

Do your hazard lights work?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:47pm

have just tried the hazard lights, it has just squirted the headlamp washers once and left the sidelights and indicator dimmly illuminated, not flashing

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:52pm

do your indicators work?

Defintely sounds like the passenger side fusebox, did you remove the bottom of the casing below the fuses and check in there for water?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 2:55pm

yes lifted bottom off so could see where all the wires go in and there no sign of water. indicators dont work either.

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 3:07pm

Multimeter time I think, start at the passenger side fusebox making sure the large fuses I, II, III, IV all have power and are ok (if fitted)

then I'd test the terminals at Relay 21 for the ignition.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/battery_fusebox.gif

Make sure the multiplug on the drivers side fusebox is seated correctly too but I dont think that is the main issue.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=admin;action=display;num=1267895931

Does anything which requires the ignition on in either position I or II work?

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 11^th, 2010, 4:23pm

hi highlander, have just taken all the fuses out and tested for conti they all fine, then tested for voltage, 12volts was on all the back pins but fuse II looked a bit dingy so wiped them, put the fuses on. when we put fuse II could hear a relay start. put key in ignition, all dash working and car started. really appreciate the help that you have given. wouldnt have had a clue where to start apart from gallon of petrol and box of matches, lol.

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 11^th, 2010, 4:29pm

Excellent ;D

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Mike H on Aug 11^th, 2010, 8:50pm

That old grubby fuse gremlin again. ;D

FWIW my dashboard top LED is only visible in the dark.

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 12^th, 2010, 7:39pm

Does it only come on at night then or can you only see it at night? ;)

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Mike H on Aug 12^th, 2010, 8:27pm

Now you're asking me! Hadn't considered it might be waiting until it gets dark. ;D

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by blunder87 on Aug 19^th, 2010, 2:22pm

Having problems again. the scorpio is doing the same thing again, refusing to start and leaving lights on, etc. tried what i did last time to sort it out but it not having any of it this time. looked down the side of the fusebox and there some white powder, corrosion maybe? if this is the case where would the best place to get a replacement aux fusebox from, anybody here got one? are they difficult to change? any help would be greatly appreciated. Steve

Title: Re: 1995 diesel - cannot get to start
Post by Highlander on Aug 20^th, 2010, 11:43am

What lights are staying on? still cranking ok just not firing?

Might be the multiplug terminals under the fusebox? might be worth taking them off and having a look?