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(Message started by: Stes Ultimatum on Oct 1st, 2010, 7:17pm)
Title: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 1st, 2010, 7:17pm
Just dropped the wife off,
selected reverse the car moved & then a thud
no reverse ???

The car drives ok
Wot's up ??

Thanks Ste. ???
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 2nd, 2010, 8:11am
hi there

have you checked the level of the gearbox fluid?

hth
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:25am
Hi,

I checked & topped up the other morning!
As I said i selected reverse, the car moved & then there was a thud

The car drives ok with no noises just no reverse
The engine just revs !


Thanks steve
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Mike H on Oct 3rd, 2010, 6:34pm
Sounds like something's broke (?)
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Dave2302 on Oct 3rd, 2010, 7:16pm
Check to see if u got engine braking in position 1, if not then it's busted the rear band.  Strip down and rebuild time :(

HTH Dave
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Mike H on Oct 4th, 2010, 4:48pm
Or working 2nd hand box (?)
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 6th, 2010, 4:50pm

on 10/03/10 at 19:16:57, Dave2302 wrote:
Check to see if u got engine braking in position 1, if not then it's busted the rear band.  Strip down and rebuild time :(

HTH Dave



Just took the car for a run & no engine braking,
The car will just coast to an almost stop, then the auto creep

Thanks steve.  :'(
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Highlander on Oct 6th, 2010, 4:54pm
I have a spare 2.3 box I can drop off in Cheshire sometime for a coffee and some biscuits ;)
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 6th, 2010, 5:20pm

on 10/06/10 at 16:54:35, Highlander wrote:
I have a spare 2.3 box I can drop off in Cheshire sometime for a coffee and some biscuits ;)


You got mail !

Steve
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Mike H on Oct 7th, 2010, 6:56pm
Good diagnosis from Dave there, so it am heading in the direction of the Pearly Gates ~ or trying to ;D
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by gozz on Oct 7th, 2010, 11:21pm
Oily gates ?
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Dave2302 on Oct 8th, 2010, 11:25am
;D

His description was perfect, it happens not lots, but quite common,  rear band selects reverse with direct clutch, and also gives engine braking in 1 with forward clutch.

Therefore if no engine braking and no reverse, and a clunk just before it lost reverse its done the usual and broken the rear band  ;)
If the box was good before this happened it will make an easy repair.....
Give the old box to Stuart, and when he gets around to coming up here, I'll repair it then he's got another good 2.3 box to keep someone running !!

Cheers Dave
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 8th, 2010, 1:31pm
Well I don't know about it being a good box,
It had the catle grid at around 70mph, I thought it was the prop till I read about it !

Since the rear band has gone the vibration has almost gone ?
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Dave2302 on Oct 8th, 2010, 7:28pm
Cattle grid is more of a converter issue than gearbox, but if box is built well, it seems to keep it at a minimum

Cheers Dave
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Matt on Oct 8th, 2010, 8:38pm
ive got a couple of spare cossie boxes if you fancy upgrading the internals, plus im doing a trip to Cheshire Sunday anyway! can throw one in the back for £30
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Oct 8th, 2010, 10:28pm
Thanks Matt,

Stuart is sorting me one out for next weekend !

Cheers Ste
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Mike H on Oct 9th, 2010, 4:28pm

on 10/08/10 at 13:31:23, Stes Ultimatum wrote:
Well I don't know about it being a good box,
It had the catle grid at around 70mph, I thought it was the prop till I read about it !

Since the rear band has gone the vibration has almost gone ?


As an experiment could try driving it with the MAF sensor unplugged, see if it helps? But I'd wait until the "new box" is in, not worth it at the mo.

FWIW for ages I thought my box was seriously sick, then I put a brand new MAF in, honestly was like getting a brand new autobox!
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Dave2302 on Oct 10th, 2010, 12:52pm
Yes, true Mike, Maf on most Fords has a significant effect on Autobox, also TPS.  In fact anything that affects running of engine will affect a PCM controlled autobox on most cars.

Dave
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto  update
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Jan 28th, 2011, 11:00pm
Well Stu dropped off the box back in september !   ::)
Now the weather is a bit warmer, I thought I do the box swap.

I bought a new filter of eBay & got the fluid with mercon V.

So this afternoon got the car up on the ramps & the back end on stands
I've got as far as ready to undo the bellhouse bolts to drop the box,
Everything has come undone with no probs except one of the studs snaped on the exhaust between the flexy & the front box    >:(
Easy repair.   :P

I have took the sump off to empty the fluid, wow what a messy job that is !
Let's say good job I put some plastic down !   ;D
The oil was black ! & there was a lot of sludge on the strip in the sump.

Tomorrow I'm going to put the new filter on the replacement box
I'l take some pic's to.


Steve.
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Jan 29th, 2011, 10:51pm
Not done much today  ???

Got the box out,
don't know if the engine or the gearbox has been out before ?, because the top 6 belhousing bolts were hand tight !   :o  

Took some pic's

The broken stud,
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0005.jpg

The front box is looking a bit rough, but the rest of the system is solid  !
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0006.jpg

Home made transmission jack adapter 8)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0007.jpg

The sludge from my box sump, when i moved the tub i used to drain the oil into it looked metallic when the sun was shinning on it !
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0010.jpg

The replacment box from stu (Highlander) ;)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0002.jpg

Nice clean oil out of the replacement box
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0003.jpg

New filter
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/lesterslaser/003/scorpio/108_0004.jpg

Hopefully i will get it back together tomorrow :-/
but I'm not in a rush  ;)

As soon as the box is in, i will empty the cooling rad of the metallic oil !  ;D

Steve  
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Mike H on Jan 30th, 2011, 1:38pm
Well done that man  ;D

That colour deffo don't look right for ATF. Even without the silvery sheen!

Reminds me many years ago had a Mini auto for a couple or three years, every oil change some more metal filings came out with it. Still kept going though!
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Feb 6th, 2011, 6:04pm
Another update !,

Well I got everything back together on Tuesday but forgot about the gasket for the exhaust manifold !  ::)

So today exhaust on, box filled with nice new red fluid !
Started & was idling a bit rough!, but then the revs picked up & was idling smooth as before!.

Selected all of the gears & topped the gearbox up a bit more,

Got the car back on the ground & moved it around the car park so it was level & checked the fluid level once more!

Went for a quick drive & everything feels good, it's clunking into 2nd ? But I'll give it a day or two for the fluid to get around the box & torque converter!

But all is good ! I've got a smooth ride + reverse !!   ;D & no vibration around 70 mph !   :D

Again a big thanks to Stu

Steve
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Highlander on Feb 8th, 2011, 10:15am
I wonder how long it will take you to get out of the "no reverse" parking tactics  ;D
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Feb 13th, 2011, 11:30am

on 10/08/10 at 11:25:27, Dave2302 wrote:
;D

If the box was good before this happened it will make an easy repair.....
Give the old box to Stuart, and when he gets around to coming up here, I'll repair it then he's got another good 2.3 box to keep someone running !!

Cheers Dave


Hi Stu/Dave

If you think the box is worth fixing
Your welcome to come & collect it ?

Thanks Steve
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Feb 13th, 2011, 11:31am

on 02/08/11 at 10:15:17, Highlander wrote:
I wonder how long it will take you to get out of the "no reverse" parking tactics  ;D



LoL. !!!!!
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Mike H on Feb 14th, 2011, 11:26am

on 02/06/11 at 18:04:36, Stes Ultimatum wrote:
Went for a quick drive & everything feels good, it's clunking into 2nd ? But I'll give it a day or two for the fluid to get around the box & torque converter!


Sometimes when you change things it changes the operating conditions that the PCM keeps in its memory, so may just be a case that it has to "re-learn" the settings.

When I did the big session last year with the new exhaust system and eveything the idle was too fast initially, making selecting speeds "lurchy". But sorted itself out after a couple of days.
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 15th, 2011, 3:09pm

on 10/06/10 at 16:54:35, Highlander wrote:
I have a spare 2.3 box I can drop off in Cheshire sometime for a coffee and some biscuits ;)


Hi Highlander,I hope with all the Coffee & Biscuits that appear to be partial to that you work it off riding a bike once you are back in the Hilly Bits.
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Highlander on Feb 18th, 2011, 9:28am
Sadly no  ;D

Steve, if you still have the old box I can pick it up and take it to Dave
Title: Re: No reverse 2.3 auto.  Update !
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Feb 18th, 2011, 5:56pm
Stu you have PM !


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