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(Message started by: dpr1974 on Oct 14^th, 2010, 9:31pm)

Title: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 14^th, 2010, 9:31pm

Evening all, i'm david just joined, i don't own a scorpio but i am building a trike with a 2ltr 16v scorpio engine and auto box and that's where my problem is.
Thanks to the ford tis and autodata i have been able to wire everything up except for the one thing, the wires from the pats transceiver (around key barrel) to where ever they go, does any body know?
I can't check at the moment but i believe there are four wires there but i don't know the colour code without checking.

Many thanks

david

i forgot to mention that the ecu has pats built into it.

Title: Re: pats
Post by Matt on Oct 15^th, 2010, 10:12am

Hi David

On a scorpio the pats is a seperate unit that the transciver just plugs into, are you sure the ECU is scorpio or an Escort rs2000?

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 6:30pm

Hi Matt, i read that early scorpios were a seperate unit and then became joined, i check this with my local ford garage and they confirmed this and the autodata wiring diagrams show wiring for the ecu with and without pats, the ford garage didn't mention anything about rs2000 so i'm not sure.

david

Matt, do you know where the pats is located, as i'll go back to my local breakers to see if i can find it. ta

Title: Re: pats
Post by Mike H on Oct 15^th, 2010, 11:14pm

I believe above the glove box, next door to the ECU and in a sort of cage (?)

Title: Re: pats
Post by Simmo on Oct 16^th, 2010, 8:36am

This page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/electrical/antitheft/centralcontrolmod.pdf) shows the unit which is located,as MikeH says, behind the glove boxwhich drops right down to access it. The Pats section is usually held in with a riveted bracket to prevent its easy removal!. The glovebox drops by slipping off the catches at the forward edge on each side.

Title: Re: pats
Post by gozz on Oct 16^th, 2010, 10:13am

The ECU is the riveted bit,the PATS unit is to the right of it,a black box in a bare metal cage/bracket which is bolted in,they are,as designed,a sod to remove.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: pats
Post by Simmo on Oct 16^th, 2010, 11:33am

;D Thanks for that Gozz. ;)

Title: Re: pats
Post by Highlander on Oct 16^th, 2010, 12:34pm

David, I have a few 2.0 autos for bits if you get stuck

Title: Re: pats
Post by Mike H on Oct 16^th, 2010, 1:08pm

on 10/14/10 at 21:31:55, dpr1974 wrote:

i am building a trike with a 2ltr 16v scorpio engine and auto box

As it don't do too badly power wise with about one and a half tons of car attached I reckon that's going to go like a certain brown coloured waste material off of a certain type of gardening implement http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/blink.gif

Title: Re: pats
Post by Highlander on Oct 16^th, 2010, 1:37pm

We had a guy on a few years back making a trike with a 24v engine and box, once he got the wiring sorted etc we never heard from him again.
I assume he is dead ;D

Title: Re: pats
Post by Matt on Oct 16^th, 2010, 1:43pm

i sold a 24v block to a bloke who bolts them into a vee dub beetle (old style) and drags them!!

Title: Re: pats
Post by gozz on Oct 16^th, 2010, 2:55pm

We had a guy on a few years back making a trike with a 24v engine and box, once he got the wiring sorted etc we never heard from him again.
I assume he is dead
( Highlander's post)
Probably went straight to the pearly gates on the trike eh Stuart,or p'raps to Hades ! ;D
GOZZ.

Title: Re: pats
Post by Mike H on Oct 16^th, 2010, 4:13pm

As Jeremy Clarkson said on a recent TG proggy going through the Pearly Gates backwards and on fire is doing it properly ;D

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 16^th, 2010, 6:07pm

Thanks for all the replies, luckily i have the Central Control module allready, didn't realise that was what i needed so thanks for that.
as for the nuts of a shove comment Mike H, ;D is my answer.

thanks again every one.

david

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 16^th, 2010, 6:23pm

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/the_fomoco_kid/SN850074.jpg

Pats module is in the metal box that the orange coloured module is mounted on

1998 2.3 auto shown ;)

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 16^th, 2010, 7:15pm

Thanks Stixy, because i was just looking at the ford tis that i have and the central control unit doesn't seem to be what i'm looking for. don't suppose you have a wiring digram for the pats?

david

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 16^th, 2010, 7:30pm

There are no official wiring diagrams but what have you got ? Which engine gearbox ? what loom are you using ?

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 16^th, 2010, 8:08pm

it's a (1995) 2.0ltr 16v with a auto box however i started from scratch with the wiring loom because there was so much i didn't need on the original one, plus i wanted the charge start and run harness seperate from the the rest.

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 16^th, 2010, 8:20pm

With the engine/ box loom its all needed to run it except for a few air con wires . In my opinion you would be better off using the original loom and shortening it .

The starting/inhibutor system is wired through the pats and the pats it needs to see its there otherwise it wont work properly and you might not get it started .

How far have you got with your loom ?

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 16^th, 2010, 9:15pm

all done as of today except for the pats transceiver (round key barrel) and anyother pats wiring. The loom for the engine and box is intact all i've done is rewired from the connecter blocks (x2)
Maybe you could answer this for me aswell, the diagram for the ecu lists all the pin numbers/wire colour, but some pins list a second number to use if you have pats, so could i rearrange those wire to bypass the pats?

thanks

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 16^th, 2010, 9:29pm

Tbh i dont know enough about Pats and i have heard so many different stories about which circuits are actualy immobilised but on some other Fords the ecu is different there is a pats and a non pats version . But try it it will either work or wont .
I am interested to hear how you get on though . I have fitted a couple of 16v's into Sierra's but i left the pats and loom intact and never had a problem other than the fact there is a lot of loom lol .

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 17^th, 2010, 9:50am

With somethiing like this it allways comes down to try it and see, especially with all the rewiring i've had to do but the location of the pats you've given is a big help.
fingers cross should have it ticking over by middle week ;D

thanks to all the replies people.

david

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 18^th, 2010, 10:00am

Just been to the breakers, you were spot on there Stixy with the pats location. just need to wire it now :(

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 18^th, 2010, 7:07pm

on 10/18/10 at 10:00:52, dpr1974 wrote:

Just been to the breakers, you were spot on there Stixy with the pats location. just need to wire it now :(

Did you get the ignition key from the car it came from ?

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 18^th, 2010, 10:10pm

Yep got all i need now, even got a spare key ;D

Title: Re: pats
Post by Stixy on Oct 19^th, 2010, 7:21pm

on 10/18/10 at 22:10:04, dpr1974 wrote:

Yep got all i need now, even got a spare key ;D

Good . keep us informed how you get on ;)

Title: Re: pats
Post by dpr1974 on Oct 19^th, 2010, 9:35pm

will do, seem i can wire the pats without having to contact ford, the ford tis doesn't list info on the pats but by traulling the pages i've been able to find several wire going to the pats, only another 5 or so to go.