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(Message started by: ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 2:58pm)

Title: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 2:58pm

Hi All. my 2-3 16 valve 98 estate is showing oil in the coolant, mileage only 152.000. Its a lovely car and fabulous ride. i have a 2-9 as well, but the ride is definitely harder on that,
On the 2-3 i did the head gasket 3 years ago, and an awfull lot of welding to keep her going for a long time.
Anyway any advice appreciated, it can only be head gasket i guess, because this is so soon could that mean a distorted head? it's not too bad a job, and i would do it again to keep the car on the road, the car runs fine, but will give it a compression test at the weekend, i dont think there is anywhere else oil can come from, or is there?
Cheers Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by martin_rowe on Oct 15^th, 2010, 3:53pm

oil in coolant wont show on compression test.

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 3:59pm

No i realise that, but it may well give an indication of the condition of the head gasket.
Thanks Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by Matt on Oct 15^th, 2010, 4:01pm

has your intake manifold cracked? the 2.3's have known issues of cracking the heads when this happens, otherwise what type of head gasket did you use when it was replaced?

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 4:06pm

Thanks Matt. yes i have had problems with intake manifold and replaced this, and it was a nightmare! but did not think it had oil flowing through it! am i missing something here?
cheers Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by Matt on Oct 15^th, 2010, 4:15pm

the intake doesn't have an oil supply, where it bolts to the head between cyls 2 and 3 is the oil feed to the head (through one of the head bolt holes) on the intake side, it seems that when the intake goes and water is lost localised heat build up cracks the head on the oil way and allows the oil to flow into the water system down into the block

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 6:32pm

Thanks Matt, Are there any links or diagrams to this fault or more info please, sounds a bit more serious, does this mean a new cylinder head? compression test may ge good in spite of this possible fault!
Thanks Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2010, 6:51pm

http://fordscorpio.multiply.com/photos/album/6/cylinder_head_16v

hth

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by Matt on Oct 15^th, 2010, 7:16pm

Scorpio_man's link shows the crack location and as you have stated no this crack wont show up with a compression test

a specialist may be able to drill and weld up the head but it would be cheaper to find a second hand unit, the head off a 2.0 16v will go on, it just ups the compression a tiny bit

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 15^th, 2010, 7:42pm

Thanks very much guys. when i look at the picture of the face where the inlet manifold fits,would i be able to see any crack through one of these inlets between the valve ports? I bought the head gasket kit from an MDC center, that was before i snapped the stat housing off the manifold trying to replace the stat!
Thanks Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2010, 7:46pm

hi there

when mines went, you could see the crack with the head off the block, holding it at an angle.

it was 'inside' the bolt hole.

hth

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 17^th, 2010, 11:54am

Thanks Scorpio Man. Did you replace the head or get it repaired, if you replaced it did you use 2 3lt 16v or a 2lt 16v,
Thanks Bob

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ADroste on Oct 17^th, 2010, 2:14pm

Hi Bob,

please have a read of my story:

on 09/25/10 at 21:23:37, ADroste wrote:

I would like to contribute final information. After reading several posts in different forums, I accepted the diagnosis "cracked head". Motor specialists warned me to fit a new head to a high mileage motor. So I looked for a new motor. I was lucky and found exact the same motor as mine, but with just 30k miles for 400,-€.
http://i51.tinypic.com/21ky1e8.jpg
Because I have no access to the required tools, I tasked a garage to do the exchange for me. 900€ incl. VAT :o

Since three days the beast is back on the road. Still very little signs of rust, smooth gear changes, working lambda probe and cat and with all the nice features of a fully equipped Ultima I hope I can further run it for some time.

Regards
Armin

It began here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1278780690

Regards
Armin

Title: Re: Oil in coolant!
Post by ro284 on Oct 17^th, 2010, 4:59pm

Armin. many thanks for your reply, i found it all very helpfull. so many similarities to my problem, which started with a cracked inlet manifold around the stat housing, Glad you managed to find another engine, i my not find one,(without the same problem!) at the moment i am thinking maybe to get it welded by a spacialist, in the hope that it won't happen again, but i will have a look when i get the head off. Thanks again for your help,
Regards Bob