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(Message started by: smstev on Nov 2nd, 2010, 7:05pm)
Title: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 2nd, 2010, 7:05pm
Firstly Hi everyone - can across the forum when I was hunting the internet to find answer to this problem.

The ignition barrel has just given up the ghost on my car, got a new barrel arriving in the next day or two. But as I understand it you have to turn the key to pos 1 to remove the barrel - my key will not turn at all. Is this correct - any ideas. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 2nd, 2010, 8:07pm
Hello and welcome ;D

thats correct, there is a small spring loaded pin in the barrel (you can see it from above) which locks into the barrel housing, once position 1 is reached you can push this pin down/inwards to release the barrel

will it not move at all? WD40 might give it enough to get it to position 1 to remove it.

Do you have another key you can try?

Failing that I think slowly drilling out the barrel internals is your best bet.

I once gouged the internals out with a big screwdriver but it was a slow job trying not to damage anything.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 2nd, 2010, 8:24pm
I've tried the spare key and no joy - I'll give some WD40 a go when the barrel turns up.
Many Thanks
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Simmo on Nov 3rd, 2010, 7:41am
Try also pushing and pulling on the key whilst trying to turn it. As Stuart says once in position one it flys out when the 'detent' is pressed but without that it is one heck of a job.  ???

This article (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/ignitionlock.htm) explains the removal procedure.  :)
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 3rd, 2010, 1:15pm
I'm hoping the new barrel will turn up tomorrow or the next day. I'll let you know how it goes. Many thanks for your advice.

When I get a bit more time I'll have a good look around. Been involved with forums before, can be great source of info and a good way of letting your hair down.

Once again many thanks
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 3rd, 2010, 1:32pm

on 11/03/10 at 13:15:52, smstev wrote:
and a good way of letting your hair down


Oh you've met Jonnycab then?  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 6th, 2010, 2:05pm
Right an update. Managed to remove the barrel - after talking to a mechinic friend of mine found out that if you saw the front of the barrel off - make sure you get a good blade or 4, you can then turn the barrel and easy as pie it comes out.

But now new problem, the dam immobiliser will not kick off - it is new barrel and new key, keeping an old key close to the new one - any ideas or how do you get rid of the immobiliser.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Matt on Nov 6th, 2010, 2:49pm
with the new key in the barrel and turned as if to start the car, wave the old key around by the barrel, you may not have had it picking up the old code, happened to me before
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by bonnietiler on Nov 6th, 2010, 5:14pm
Can't you put the chip from the original key into the new one? They aren't that difficult to remove.
I know I did that on an old Fiesta I had (95 model)
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 6th, 2010, 5:24pm

on 11/06/10 at 17:14:45, bonnietiler wrote:
Can't you put the chip from the original key into the new one? They aren't that difficult to remove.
I know I did that on an old Fiesta I had (95 model)


How do you do that? I know that it's something to do with the red bit on the key, but how do you remove it?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Simmo on Nov 6th, 2010, 6:36pm
Try taping the old key near the barrel and see if the car will start then. :)
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 8:29am

on 11/06/10 at 17:24:44, smstev wrote:
How do you do that? I know that it's something to do with the red bit on the key, but how do you remove it?


You can remove them with a pin.

I usually remove the metal part of the new key and glue it into the plastic part of the old one
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 8:34am

on 11/06/10 at 14:05:00, smstev wrote:
Right an update. Managed to remove the barrel - after talking to a mechinic friend of mine found out that if you saw the front of the barrel off - make sure you get a good blade or 4, you can then turn the barrel and easy as pie it comes out.

But now new problem, the dam immobiliser will not kick off - it is new barrel and new key, keeping an old key close to the new one - any ideas or how do you get rid of the immobiliser.


Is your PATS light flashing?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 11:11am
Forgive the ignorance - but what is "PATS" light?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Simmo on Nov 8th, 2010, 11:18am
Passive Anti Theft System. The little red light in the very centre of the dash flashes a code. Details are Here (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/pats.htm). That is what Stuart is referring to. ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:09pm
When you say the immobiliser will not go off what exactly is happening? or not happening?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:15pm
Nothing - you get to pos three and nothing, no start motor. Put the old barrel in and no problem. So guessing that it is the immobilser.

Can't check anything at the moment as the car battery is sitting in the hallway on charge, managed to flatten the battery when playing around, was going to sort it today but it is raining cats and dogs at the moment.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:24pm

on 11/08/10 at 12:15:18, smstev wrote:
Nothing - you get to pos three and nothing, no start motor. Put the old barrel in and no problem. So guessing that it is the immobilser.


Its the transponder in the key rather than the barrel, if you can swap them over it should work
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:27pm
I will try that. Out of interest is there away of bypassing?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:35pm
Yes but then your local neds can steal it  and your insurance company will just smile and wave ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:38pm
Understand that, but we live in the middle of nowhere. In the 18 months that we have lived here, only one thing has been stolen in the village and that was a7.5 ton van that had the keys left in it. There are people here how don't even lock their cars or home.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 12:45pm
Oh you're in the Borders!

Where abouts? I stayed there for many years, in Earlston/Melrose/Kelso/Duns/Lauder  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:08pm
Not to far from Duns. Like I said middle of nowhere. Duns is about 6 miles north or us, with coldstream about 6 miles south. Berwick about 12 miles away. Lovely area only problem if need a pint of milk it's a 12 mile round trip.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:13pm
I'm guessing that puts you around Swinton :)

I used to do some work at the big chicken farm just North of Swinton.

I stayed in Eccles for nearly two years :)

p.s. can you explain your username?? smstev?

probably just my twisted mind at work but I'm reading it as S&M Steve  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:32pm
We are very near Swinton, I know the chicken farm.

smstev very easy name is Simon Stevenson, middle name Mark so Simon Mark STEVenson. Came up with it years ago for logging into accounts etc, when I came up with a new one started using it for forums etc.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:33pm
I liked my version better, you are now officially S&M Steve  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:35pm
I'm in the Kelso area most weekends, if you need any bits or anything give me a shout  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:36pm
Thats just twisted  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Mike H on Nov 9th, 2010, 11:32am

on 11/08/10 at 12:24:39, Highlander wrote:
Its the transponder in the key rather than the barrel, if you can swap them over it should work


When I got my new ignition lock it came complete with a new key, but this key has no PATS chip (red bit), the "handle" is totally different shape, not a snowball's chance in an oven of putting a chip into it, a 'swap over' is out of the question.

Ergo can't use this key for ignition, but OK for door locks and suchlike.

Unless as you say you 'waft' the original key having the red chip in the vicinity of the ignition lock when starting it
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 9th, 2010, 1:07pm
The new key has the red bit, but I can not seem to get it out or out of the old one. Am I doing something wrong  :-/
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 9th, 2010, 1:11pm
There is sometimes a small hole opposite the red bit (metal end) you can use a pin to push them out with

p.s. found you a new avatar ;D

http://www.fastfancydress.co.uk/templates/imagedirectory/maniac%20mask%20sm.jpg
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 14th, 2010, 4:48pm
Car now running. Got another problem, not sure if it has been covered before - so sorry if it has.

Have reconnected the battery and now got no radio, no power and yes I have checked the two fuses in the fuse box. Any ideas or is there something that I was meant to do when reconnecting the battery.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Mike H on Nov 14th, 2010, 5:21pm
Radio has a security code?

Not sure what "power" is
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 14th, 2010, 5:54pm
There is a code in the book but when I turn the radio on there is no display.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Mike H on Nov 14th, 2010, 6:10pm
Ahh!! That's what you meant by getting no power. ;D

Checked all the fuses?
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 14th, 2010, 6:16pm
I've checked all the fuses that relate to the audio system, everything else is working.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Cosray on Nov 14th, 2010, 6:48pm

on 11/08/10 at 12:45:38, Highlander wrote:
Oh you're in the Borders!

Where abouts? I stayed there for many years, in Earlston/Melrose/Kelso/Duns/Lauder  ;D


That's interesting - as an Electronics Engineer I lived in Milfield in the Red Lion Inn, when we pulled the Natural Gas Main Feeder through... to Glasgow was it? end of 60-ties... visited Tillmouth & Park Hotel, Wooler, Coldtsream, Kelso, Flodden, Cornhill, Peniel Heugh... brings back memories... Berwick, Edinburgh, Longformacus... long time. Still seeing some old friends there. Nice golfs too.

http://bit.ly/aE6MRW

Ray
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Highlander on Nov 16th, 2010, 9:21am

on 11/14/10 at 16:48:49, smstev wrote:
Have reconnected the battery and now got no radio, no power and yes I have checked the two fuses in the fuse box.


Did you check with a multimeter at the radio mutiplug?


on 11/14/10 at 17:54:13, smstev wrote:
There is a code in the book but when I turn the radio on there is no display.


The radio displays are prone to failure, its possible the radio is actually on.

Cleaning the contacts on the security panel sometimes sorts it.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Simmo on Nov 16th, 2010, 9:26am
As can removing the radio and placing it in the airing cupboard !.  ;D  May seem bizarre but has been known to work.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Cosray on Nov 16th, 2010, 9:36am
... exactly what make/type/model# is the radio?

Is it a headend with a poweramp or standalone?

Ray
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 16th, 2010, 3:28pm
Took the radio out, gave all connections a good clean and the panel and presto it works.

many thanks for all of your help and advice.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Cosray on Nov 16th, 2010, 4:03pm
... Scorpio maintenance has become so simple... it's always cables, looms or connectors...   >:(

Ray
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by smstev on Nov 16th, 2010, 4:08pm
Got the same problem - I believe with the cd autochanger, something wrong the cable, just can't be bothered with the hag of it, tracing and sorting. Just happy to have the radio back and not only that many listen to the mp3.

But a least scorpios are not as completed as some new cars.
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Simmo on Nov 16th, 2010, 4:23pm
Before you give up have a look at This page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm). Scroll down to the section re the CD player. The fault is usually a dry or corroded  joint a few inches back along the loom.  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio 2.3
Post by Tompion on Nov 16th, 2010, 4:40pm
Also you may find an inline fuse near the radio in the loom (square connector to radio) that goes to the CD changer.


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