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(Message started by: freddieboy on Nov 10th, 2010, 2:43pm)
Title: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 10th, 2010, 2:43pm
Hello Folks,  
Owing to a recent occurence of ABS dash light appearance, I booked the car in to my regular garage, and they tell me that the ABS pump has failed.  I have four months MOT left on the car so I am urgently seeking a replacement pump in order to keep the old girl on the road.  Has anyone else had this problem, and did you find a way round it?
The car is otherwise in excellent condition, and drives well, and it would be a huge loss to me if it had to be scrapped.
Any ideas lads?      regards  FredW   :'( :'(
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Highlander on Nov 10th, 2010, 2:51pm
Have a look here at Tompions fix

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=admin;action=display;num=1268910490

What engine is it for? there are a few different pump versions for different engines, with or without Traction control etc

The model number on the label will help, something like this you're looking for.

95GB-2M110-AD
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Tompion on Nov 10th, 2010, 3:55pm
Hi Fred,

Does it look like this (the controller is underneath):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/absimage3.jpg

Or the later type in this PDF (the controller is at the front of the valve block):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/brake/ABSHydraulUnit97+.pdf

If it’s the second one we can probably sort it at a Kent meet.
If you have Traction Control it’s probably the first type (I’ve not seen a TC version of the later type).

Dave
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Simmo on Nov 10th, 2010, 8:21pm
Freddie. Tell us what the symptoms were?. Did the garage 'scan' it. If so what was the fault code ?. One fault code says that the pump motor has failed when it is probably just loose contacts where the motor sits on the controller. The test is simple. Disconnect the plug and apply 12v to the motor. If it spins the motor is clearly ok and the pins are the likely culprit. That's where the 'Tompion' cure comes in.  ;D
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 10th, 2010, 11:09pm
The Fault docket reads:  ABS/ESP  Fault C1095.  ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure.
I will try to upload a photo tomorrow morning.
The only symptoms were that the orange warning light started to come on intermittently, and then permanently,otherwise everything else is fine.  cheers fred

BTW its a 2.3 auto saloon `96 P reg.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by lleewar on Nov 10th, 2010, 11:31pm
Freddie, Sounds like the controller needs repair and your's might well be the unit with the contoller on the underside. As Stuart said, Tompions repair is inch perfect, I should know. I followed the advice given for the repair and now all is well.. That was a year ago!!! The only thing I didn't do was drill the hole in the unit as suggested because I don't have a stand drill. I cut the plastic with a stanley knife(tough but doable) and replaced it back in place after the repair with glue and tape.. Do as Simmo say's and put 12v through the motor first.   Lee
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by gozz on Nov 10th, 2010, 11:36pm
Fred.
Does the light come on over 15mph?,that is what usually happens when 'Tompions Fix' is required  8)
                                        GOZZ.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by lleewar on Nov 11th, 2010, 7:52am
Your right Gozz. Should have mentioned that first ::)
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by MrJones on Nov 11th, 2010, 12:08pm
Hi, I had similar problem a couple of years ago and got a second opinion and found it was 2 dry joints on the controller board that conects to the pump.  He charged me £25 and it was sorted. :)
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Simmo on Nov 11th, 2010, 12:18pm

on 11/11/10 at 12:08:54, MrJones wrote:
Hi, I had similar problem a couple of years ago and got a second opinion and found it was 2 dry joints on the controller board that conects to the pump.  He charged me £25 and it was sorted. :)

That's exactly what Tompion found and we hope that is the answer to Freds' problem. :)
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:39pm
Hi All,  I`m bowled over by the many replies to my problem, and it certainly looks like a fix may be possible.   Owing to a chest infection and todays inclement weather, I havent been outside to the garage to investigate further.
All your comments have been extremely helpful, and I shall have to decide whether I have the manual dexterity to effect the repair by Tompion, let alone the tools required.  Fortunately there are a few months MOT left, so I can continue to use the car legally.
Is there a Kent Meet planned for the end of the month?, if so I could glean more information from some of you then.
Thanks again.  Fred
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by lleewar on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:44pm
The next meet should be on 28th of this month. Keep an eye open on the meeting forum. Pegasus (Paul) usually lets everyone know well in advance  Lee
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Simmo on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:49pm
Fred. There should be a meet on 28/11. Send me your telephone number by PM and I'll have a chat with you. IF the controller is on the front it is a relatively easy job and Dave {Tompion) did Bruces'  (Gost) car in the car park  !!. That is he swapped it over for a repaired one. ;) Mike
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Highlander on Nov 12th, 2010, 9:22am
Fred, if you can find out the part number I may have a spare 2.3 one sitting here you can have as a spare.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 12th, 2010, 10:49am

on 11/12/10 at 09:22:22, Highlander wrote:
Fred, if you can find out the part number I may have a spare 2.3 one sitting here you can have as a spare.

Thanks Highlander, I havent been able to get to the part number, but can confirm that the unit is on the front of the pump, facing the radiator.  cheers Fred.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 12th, 2010, 10:50am

on 11/11/10 at 17:49:35, Simmo wrote:
Fred. There should be a meet on 28/11. Send me your telephone number by PM and I'll have a chat with you. IF the controller is on the front it is a relatively easy job and Dave {Tompion) did Bruces'  (Gost) car in the car park  !!. That is he swapped it over for a repaired one. ;) Mike

Thanks Simmo, PM sent.  Fred
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 12th, 2010, 10:59am

on 11/10/10 at 23:36:05, gozz wrote:
Fred.
Does the light come on over 15mph?,that is what usually happens when 'Tompions Fix' is required  8)
                                        GOZZ.


Hi Gozz,  Unfortunately the light comes on and stays on from start up.  cheers Fred
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 12th, 2010, 11:07am

on 11/10/10 at 15:55:26, Tompion wrote:
Hi Fred,

Does it look like this (the controller is underneath):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/absimage3.jpg

Or the later type in this PDF (the controller is at the front of the valve block):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/brake/ABSHydraulUnit97+.pdf

If it’s the second one we can probably sort it at a Kent meet.
If you have Traction Control it’s probably the first type (I’ve not seen a TC version of the later type).

Dave


Hi Dave, I`m unable to get your link up on my screen. I just get a blank screen even though I have Adobe Reader installed.  However the unit is on the front of the pump facing toward the radiator.  cheers Fred.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Tompion on Nov 12th, 2010, 12:14pm
Hi Fred,

In that case it should be the same as mine, I'll try & swap the units over & repair yours when I get home (assuming it's repairable).

The screws sometimes seize, but I'll bring the correct torque bit & hopefully we’ll get it sorted.

Dave
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 12th, 2010, 10:56pm
Thanks Dave, I will treat the screws to a blast of WD40 to perhaps free them up in preparation. Thanks again for yours and others help.   cheers  Fred.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by Chieftain on Nov 12th, 2010, 11:20pm
If it is any consolation when I got my Scorp I had same problem but this was befroe I found the site so changed pump and controller (FMD) had said pump was u/s  it took us about 1hour 30mins to do it all and the end result was 100% success.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 13th, 2010, 2:11pm

on 11/12/10 at 23:20:04, Chieftain wrote:
If it is any consolation when I got my Scorp I had same problem but this was befroe I found the site so changed pump and controller (FMD) had said pump was u/s  it took us about 1hour 30mins to do it all and the end result was 100% success.


Thats good news.  Hopefully mine will get the same result.  cheers.  Fred
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by gozz on Nov 13th, 2010, 4:48pm
You're in good hands Fred,a result is guaranteed without doubt  8)
                                          GOZZ.
Title: Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
Post by freddieboy on Nov 14th, 2010, 12:39pm

on 11/13/10 at 16:48:58, gozz wrote:
You're in good hands Fred,a result is guaranteed without doubt  8)
                                          GOZZ.


I sincerely hope so.  :)  cheers Fred


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