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(Message started by: zero on Nov 12^th, 2010, 10:36am)

Title: My Gearbox Woes NOW gone to Ebay
Post by zero on Nov 12^th, 2010, 10:36am

I don't know if you have read my last thread, but just to recap quickly.

About 2 months ago, I notice the fuel shutoff loom was badly blistered on the isulation, cause it was not running well we (my stepson (SS) is a mechanic) changed the loom and it was notice the car was not idleing well either, my SS sugested changing the Idle control valve too which was done.

I think I was just unlucky, but at the same time the gearbox became clunky specially when changing from 1st to 2nd, and when coming to a halt ie changing back down to first, ready to pull away. it was suggested on here, it could be the MAF, so following the cleaning instructions I cleaned it, and sadly there was little difference.

By a stroke of fortune, browing ebay, I found a seller selling new MAF's at half the price of ford, and others, so I though in for a penny, and bought one, the cars performance didn't actually improve straight away, but after a day or so the gearbox operation returned to almost normal operation for a while. however I should add that in that time the car was not used much and it was much colder (ie it was the time when the winter lights came on for the first time)

sadly it was not long before things again when pear shaped, and it seems to drive okay but I'm not sure if the problem is in my head or not, but I did note the Overdrive light flashing the last time I drove it. as I mentioned last time the car seems better when the temprature is colder, or it has not been used for a while

I should add I had a small water leak that I could not trace, I suppected the gearbox, but I noted the top of the expansion tank was not smooth and had some deep notches in it, so I leveled this off with some wet and dry (carefully) and I have certainly have not had the water problem since so I don't think the issue is water finding it way in to the gearbox.

I've checked the oil this morning (and have done so before) it's not red, but more of a pinky brown ie much like I would expect used gear box oil to look the are certainly no bits in the oil, and it is smooth to the touch and most of all, it smells how I remember gearbox oil used to smell when I was a kid (ie my dad was a car mechanic and an engineer) and it on of those smells I remember from my childhood. ie it looks dirty, and used but the car has done 87K and I presume it never been changed.

Anyway, dispite my funds being limited I do want to try to keep this car running (but I don't have a fortune to spend) however I decided it's worth throwning a new Gearbox filter and new oil at it and I plan to do this at the weekend. however I would like your views and feedback on the problem, and certainly on the flashing overdrive light, this has happen the last time I used the car, at present I'm not using it (cause I'm on leave and don't need to travel) and it happened within about 10 miles of driving, but at first, when cold the car seems to drive fine, and hence my feeling it worth changing the oil to see if this resolves the issue.

your thoughts please, would be very welcome

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by zero on Nov 12^th, 2010, 10:53am

not sure how much use this will be, but here is a picture of the two oils together

the top is a sample of the new stuff, and the bottom is off the dipstick

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1409/6773309/19814333/393315871.jpg

thanks again

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Snoopy on Nov 13^th, 2010, 8:03am

From reading others who have performed this messy task it will be possible to change about 50/60% of the oil by removing the sump. the reason being that it is not possible to drain the converter by this method but it should give you a better smoother box afterwards. ... so I am informed. Those oils look fiine to me I had my scorpio for 160k iles and never once changed the oil it looked good and clean and never missed a beat whilst I had it. It was the most reliable car I had owned, perhaps I was lucky.
check the wiring that goes from the box up infront of the bult=k head for any shorts and damage which might be the cause of you flashing light.
Others on here knowmore that me about that and I am sure they will be along to help.
good luck.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by zero on Nov 14^th, 2010, 11:42am

Thanks snoopy

Were just starting now, so I will know more a bit later on.

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Tompion on Nov 14^th, 2010, 12:58pm

Do check the length of the filter bolt, it needs to be shorter with the new filters or packed out with washers.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by PJDavis on Nov 14^th, 2010, 5:36pm

I wonder whether it's still a MAF problem. Despite the cleaning of the first one, and putting a new one on. I recently got a MAF for £50 off Ebay, the first one didn't do the job by a mile, so I took it off and sent it back for replacement. Whilst I sent the new one back I had another go at cleaning the original one with a load of that 'carb-spray' that smells like 'thinners'. Put it back together and the car is still going fine. I got the replacement new one back and fitted it, after about 10 miles things were working great again. The new one is now my spare. I can't remember whom had said about this cleaning problem fairly recently, but he was right, you can actually see the clag on the sensors, and it takes ages to get it off properly with the 'carb-spray'.
I paid £35 for the last Ford OEM gearbox filter, and got a pack of five of each the 'O'-Rings, I haven't had to do anything with the bolt like add washers, perhaps that is for a non-original part, or an earlier model I'm not sure.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Mike H on Nov 14^th, 2010, 6:09pm

How long does it take before O/D starts flashing?

There is of course the old test, unplug MAF and drive it, see if O/D comes on then. If not, then MAF's the culprit

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Tompion on Nov 14^th, 2010, 7:38pm

on 11/14/10 at 17:36:06, PJDavis wrote:

I haven't had to do anything with the bolt like add washers, perhaps that is for a non-original part, or an earlier model I'm not sure.

It is original filters that the bolt needs shortening on, but yours may already have a short bolt or the replacement filter may be the original style, hence I say check. If it is too long the bolt bottoms in the thread & the filter doesn’t seat on the seals, which means air can be drawn in making selection slow etc.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by zero on Nov 15^th, 2010, 3:35pm

Saga continues

my stepson changed the oil and the filter yesterday, all seemed to go fine, ie as much oil changed as possable and the filter seemed to fit fine, he mentioned no problems with refiting the new one. he's a very careful mechanic so he would have mentioned any problems.

I took the car for a quick spin after didn't really notice no difference but the gearbox was not jerking after the MAF change anyway. one crazy thing I have noticed is sometimes the box doesn't change, ie it seems to want to over REV like in sports mode, however if I back the throttle of, the box changes up very smoothly and with drive fine after that, this is only ever between first and second, I have no problems with the box after that and the clunk when coming to a stop, also seems to have gone to, ie when stopping and the box is changing down ready to move of in first, this is now gone.

anyway, today I had to go to the dump, I'm going to be honest I'm driving the car with kid gloves at present as funds are tight. the dump is about 5 miles away, 10 minutes drive, it seemed to drive okay there, I may have backed the throttle off once or twice, sadly I didn't make a note of this, I should have. just at the turning to the dump the OD light came on (flashing) no affect on the car at all, just a flashing OD light.

At the dump, engine off, got rid of all my rubbish, say 10 minutes max and drove the car home on a slightly longer route, ie via the post office. car seemed to drive okay not sure if i dipped the throttle, but certainly no OD light this time.

I've notice I've got a small hunting issue,back but I believe this might be the idle control valve, the guy said I bought the wrong one, he might not have changed this, if I remove the clip it seems to run better again so I suppect the valve, but it seems to work fine when the car is cold, and warm there is just a small period that it not quite right.

any clues welcome, as I said I haven't got a fortune to throw at it present, but I would like to sort it if possable, it's a lovely car, only done 87k the fuel shutoff loom was well shot so I presume thats part of the reason for chasing the dragon now.

so far we have a new

plugs
MAF
shut off loom
idle control valve
gearbox oil and filter.

I really would love to sort this, as I love this little car, so all ideas would be most welcome

cheers

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 16^th, 2010, 11:10am

Give me a bit more info.......

What model and year ?

Unless it's a 2.9 12V I would suggest a code read first to determine why the O/D light comes on,

Regards Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by zero on Nov 16^th, 2010, 3:56pm

Hi Dave

the Car is a saloon scorpio ultima 2ltr on a M plate (95?)

thanks for your help

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Highlander on Nov 16^th, 2010, 4:04pm

prime suspect for bad wiring then, might be the gearbox loom?

Does it get worse in damp conditions?

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/eecvlooms.htm

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 17^th, 2010, 11:21am

Yep, Code read first, then clear them and drive until light comes on, then re read and see what's come back.

Before buying sensors etc, check the wiring out as Stuart said ;)

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Mike H on Nov 20^th, 2010, 9:20pm

I concur I also suspect dodgy wiring or connectors, the code read should be able to point you in the right direction.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by Mike H on Nov 20^th, 2010, 9:21pm

PS yep 'M' is 1995, mine's 'N' so yours is even earlier! Might even be a rarer 1994 (?)

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes countinue Advice please
Post by zero on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 3:31pm

doesn't matter now

the box seems to have failed big time, seemed to be working fine, but I got home last night to a burnt smell and when ticking over the car sounds like a cheese grater full of bolts, sadly it looks/sounds very terminal, which is bloody anoying with

New Brakes all round (inc disks)
new MAF
new Fuel shutoff loom
one new rear caliper
new Idle control valve
drivers side coil spring (still have a new one in the shed!) ARGHHHHH!!!!

let alone the oil and new filter. ho hum thats the way it goes. and bar a few bumps and scrapes that a coat of paint would put right it isn't (wasn't) a bad little car. 87K doesn't seem a lot.

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by Highlander on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 3:38pm

Dave, do you want another gearbox for it?

I believe you have a pet mechanic who can change it for you ;)

I have a couple of good spare ones.

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by zero on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 3:45pm

Thanks for the kind offer highlander, I'll consider thats as an option, where about in the world are you?

although this really could not have come at a worse time, ie my wifes car is off the road too, I'm worried about piling more money in to this and getting no further, ie at the start of the year this car owned me nothing after 2 faultless year, now I'm £700 down with no car, for the MOT (July 11) and parts.

I spoke to my boy about changing the box, but with limited space it could be difficult.

I'm very tempted to just scrap it, but where are you and about how much for the box.

Thanks Again

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by Highlander on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 3:50pm

I'm near Glasgow,

I may be able to relay it as far as Birmingham, the last one I shipped cost around £70 :-/

Pricewise its not good to me so if you cover my next Indian takeaway its yours ;)

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by zero on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 3:56pm

thats a kind offer mate, but you could only just be a bit further away (ie I'm in Milton kenyes!)

I'll have a word with my "pet Mech" and see what him and the missus say, thing.

But again thank you for such a very kind offer.

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by Highlander on Nov 23^rd, 2010, 4:04pm

I was down in Camberley recently, i get down that way now and again but i have no idea when i'd be down next..

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by zero on Nov 24^th, 2010, 6:34pm

Thanks again mate.

to be honest, I'm not sure, the anoying thing is it only needed to do another week (we were planing to get something newer next week hopefully.

with Christmas coming up and the like, and winter, it may be impractical to do, but thanks for your offer.

Sadly I might just out it via Ebay to the highest bidder or see if anyone here wants it for spares, the engine only has 87K on it, and it has a lot of new bits as mentioned above. so sadly I might just accept a decent offer, or scrap it for bits.

I'll let you know, thanks again mate for the very kind offer.

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW DEADER THAN A DEAD THING!
Post by zero on Nov 29^th, 2010, 1:01pm

Well it open season on this now, I have placed it in the forsale section, and seen if there is any interest in parts as well.

Basically it may just need a new gearbox, but I don't have the time nor the space. ie this morning I had 3 non working cars on my drive, thankfully my wifes BMW got through the MOT today after me spending time freezing my @@@@ off fixing the Seat beat.

if someone wanted to take the whole car cheap to fix, I'd prefer that option, even though I personally won't gain from it. but if not, I have a week to strip it and scrap it and get it off my drive, ie removing all the new bits I can in a alotted time scal. sure my kids would love to be let lose on it with a screwdriver too.

So it looks like thats the deal, a fellow member here can take it a way or if no interest i'll strip it of what I can, before sending it to the great scrap yard in the sky.

Dave

Title: Re: My Gearbox Woes NOW gone to Ebay
Post by zero on Dec 9^th, 2010, 1:24pm

Sadly I now need to clear this, so I've chucked it on to Evilbay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370464934464

if a fellow forum member wants this please let me know, it a ideal do er up er, with a lot of money spent recently ie fuel shut off loom etc.

Basically I don't have time or money to fix cars still MOT till July and done 87K engine runs lovely just the box failed.

any interest mail me dave1961{at}hotmail(dot)com

I'd rather see it go to a forum member to use, thanks for looking.

Dave