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(Message started by: The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 15th, 2011, 3:26pm)
Title: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 15th, 2011, 3:26pm
Hi to you all out there. I am about to have the original(and only one that came with the car)remote re-manufactured by the guy in Ambleside that advertises on E'bay.
In the meantime I had aquired another that allegedly worked !!?, just before it went into a Jiffy Bag!!!.
I have attempted to re-programme it using the info on the forum.I get the initial Bing then the second Bing but nothing after that & it will not function. It is beginning to drive me Bing Bong Nuts.
I then turned to the somewhat Odd!! method in the Scorpio Owners Manual. Apparently very simple,works-No!!.

Any bright but helpful input would be gratefully received & faithfully applied.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 15th, 2011, 8:16pm
Hi Rooster - the website version is correct; forget other variants.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/remote.htm  and further

Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Baz on Feb 15th, 2011, 8:21pm
We always reckoned that Ford deliberately put the wrong instructions in the handbook so that drivers would try and fail to reprogramme their remotes and then have to go into their local dealer and pay them to do it! ;D
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 15th, 2011, 11:51pm

on 02/15/11 at 20:16:54, Cosray wrote:
Hi Rooster - the website version is correct; forget other variants.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/remote.htm  and further

Ray


Hi Ray.Thank you for your reply.It landed just ahead of the one from Baz. I have followed that procedure as detailed in my help post. I suspect that the original one needs the button re-manufacture procedure carrying out,I am awaiting an address to send it out to by a return E'mail. The recently acquired one will not reprogramme either.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 16th, 2011, 6:54am
I remember having read somewhere your repairman can also test/measure RF-output i.e. is it transmitting & receiving properly?

Since the device is re-coded and syncing with the car each time you press the button, optimum two-way comms must be assured.

When sending the fob to him do specifically ask for RF-testing.

Does the central locking perform all of its manual key functions properly: opening, closing, setting the alarm/flash twice, global opening & closing all windows + sunroof etc.?

Do the door-ajar lights on the dash function?

Are all timing functions on the car functioning? Interiorlights off, heated windscreen-off?

Looking for clues -

HTH
Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Stes Ultimatum on Feb 16th, 2011, 7:29am

on 02/15/11 at 15:26:30, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
Hi to you all out there. I am about to have the original(and only one that came with the car)remote re-manufactured by the guy in Ambleside that advertises on E'bay.


Well recommended !  

I've just had mine done, well worth the money !

Steve.     8)
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Simmo on Feb 16th, 2011, 8:39am

on 02/15/11 at 23:51:17, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
,I am awaiting an address to send it out to by a return E'mail.


The chap is Phillip Heap, 55, Castlefield, Ambleside, Cumbria LA22 9BQ.  ;)
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Tompion on Feb 16th, 2011, 9:30am
It's a bit of a dead area around the drivers side on my car, try holding the fob on the passenger side whilst programming.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 16th, 2011, 10:09am
Hi to Ray,Simmo,Steve,Baz,Tompion & all of you that are behind the scenes encouraging me to keep persevering with this Scorpio equivalent of an ageing Grannie (no not the car,been there,done that etc.) Reading between the lines and most of the written ones the Financial & Moral dedication  & Mental perseverance is a never ending (well sooner or later)road.
The "Tests/Confirmation signs are OK on the keys & the now NEW LOCKS all £170.00 worth.
The full test cannot be carried out because the Sodding Roof is inoperable & I don't want to go there yet. The Dead Lock,the lights out,the screens timers function but the heated rear screen night-time "locate me" light is permanently on once the ignition is activated.
The latest "I will function when I feel like"issue is the Triple Memory function,I get the confirmation tone by not consistently,therefore it has not registered.

I have resigned to the fact that I really must be nuts,I am currently chasing a late 97 24v Ultima Estate that needs some very definite money/unbridled passion throwing at it.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Feb 16th, 2011, 10:41am

on 02/16/11 at 10:09:15, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
but the heated rear screen night-time "locate me" light is permanently on once the ignition is activated.

I believe that's how it should be, both mine (rear & front screen) are permanently on when Ign is on as well.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 16th, 2011, 10:58am

on 02/16/11 at 10:41:28, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
I believe that's how it should be, both mine (rear & front screen) are permanently on when Ign is on as well.


Ahhhhhh,so zee problem is the same!!!!!!!!but different. I have one that doesn't but should & one that should but doesn't.Oh my God where is the Chivas Regal & The Paracetamol.
I wonder if any one has created a "This is going to go wrong" list in a chronological order of likely failure??
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Feb 16th, 2011, 11:18am
Has the 'locate me' bulb blown in the one that doesn't ?
There is a very tiny bulb (led i think) within the body that is soldered in.
At one time both of mine never lit up, I swapped out the complete switches with known working ones and they both lit up.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 16th, 2011, 11:26am

on 02/16/11 at 11:18:52, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
Has the 'locate me' bulb blown in the one that doesn't ?
There is a very tiny bulb (led i think) within the body that is soldered in.
At one time both of mine never lit up, I swapped out the complete switches with known working ones and they both lit up.


Hi Roddes. I must be honest that was my original thinking. So I bought two switches,a matched pair from the same car BUT not for my car!!!!!!!!!!,they were for the previous Grannie/Scorpio (Mk3). I have since taken a STIFF WHISKEY to calm down my enthusiasm to buy & booked an appointment at SpecSavers.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Mike H on Feb 17th, 2011, 12:15pm

on 02/16/11 at 10:41:28, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
I believe that's how it should be, both mine (rear & front screen) are permanently on when Ign is on as well.

Actually there's lots of bulbs are on all the time with ign, like e.g. all the window control buttons.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Mike H on Feb 17th, 2011, 12:19pm
Re reprogramming the key fob,  mine has always worked as per owners book. Never failed yet http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/th_scratchhead.gif
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Tompion on Feb 17th, 2011, 12:48pm

on 02/17/11 at 12:19:23, Mike H wrote:
Re reprogramming the key fob,  mine has always worked as per owners book. Never failed yet http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/th_scratchhead.gif

Some do, some don’t.

With mine once it’s been registered with the car it doesn’t matter how long I leave the batteries out of the fob. It may need a few presses to get in phase, but doesn’t need reprogramming.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 17th, 2011, 2:39pm
The fobs were built using the early integrated flashmemories i.e. non-volatile memories. Compare those to your digital camera's memorycard.

You could keep those today with 2 -years' Christmaspics on but the early ones lost content over time: some quickly, some not. Also they were prone to malfunction after 10.000 flashes or less, that's 15 years of use twice a day.

HERE's  a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory

HTH
Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by ro284 on Feb 17th, 2011, 9:18pm
rooster you have pm, bob
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Mike H on Feb 18th, 2011, 1:32pm
My one needs the batteries to stay in to keep its memory. 'Least I thought it does. Hence the need to reprogram after renewing the batteries.

Although as there seems to be at least 2 different ways of doing it, it suggests to me the design was changed at some point, so could just be that the 2nd hand fob is incompatible (?)

Also, no joy if the unlock button doesn't work for some reason I would expect
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 18th, 2011, 3:07pm
Yes, i too observed there must have been design changes on the way and they were not always acccurately documented.

So it is a matter of trial & error. If they do not budge find a friend at Ford's who operates the WDS 2000 and he may sort it out for a bottle of Beaujolais ;-)

HTH
Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:00pm
Hi to you all out there. The remote sent to Philip Heap in Ambleside has been returned having been re-manufactured.
He sent a reprogramme guide with it,this one is different to the guide on the forum.
The one that I purchased off E'bay had been certified working and had been RF tested.
I now have two remote controls, neither will programme as per either of the two options.
In both cases I get the first tone,the next stages differ and the final confirmation tone common to both does not happen.
I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
Has anyone knowledge of this or do I perhaps have to create a 'Voodoo Car Doll' of a Mercedes E320 and hit the Voodoo offering with a Big Hammer & incinerate the remains and then offer Myself (The Rooster) up for a Ritual Drag Race with an AMG Mercedes E320?.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:54pm

on 02/22/11 at 21:00:00, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
or do I perhaps have to create a 'Voodoo Car Doll' of a Mercedes E320 and hit the Voodoo offering with a Big Hammer & incinerate the remains and then offer Myself (The Rooster) up for a Ritual Drag Race with an AMG Mercedes E320?.


OMG I'm doubled up with fits of laughter with that  /\
 
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 12:17am

on 02/22/11 at 22:54:34, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
OMG I'm doubled up with fits of laughter with that  /\
 


Hi Rodders.I have just checked out the E320 figures,now in standard form my 97 Volvo V70 T5 CD Auto would give it a good old dusting. I might have to remap the Volvo and offer it up as 'A Champion' Lamb to the Slaughter to defend my Scorpio as a substitute against the AMG E320. I am ready to slaughter my Scorpio myself at this moment in time. Do they become any less problematic as the weather warms up !!!!!!??.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:21am

on 02/22/11 at 21:00:00, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.


I would suggest adding  afew drop s of snake oil in the process... but then again, it can't hurt.

It is not uncommon to do this for desktop computers when they freeze or hang because of static electrical charges on non-grounded mains having built up: disconnecting the mains plug, shorting it while kicking the mains switch on & off.

Do make sure to fully disconnect the battery and do not crossconnect battery poles!

HTH
Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:36am

on 02/23/11 at 08:21:09, Cosray wrote:
I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
quote]

I would suggest adding  afew drop s of snake oil in the process... but then again, it can't hurt.

This is done in desktop computers when they freeze or hang beacause of static electrical charges: shorting the mains plug and kicking the mains switch on/off.

Do make sure to fully disconnect the battery and do not crossconnect battery poles!


Hi Ray. Thank you for your early morning 'Hung Brain' jolt call. I am a bit fuddled this time of the morning,no not booze far to late on the PC last night/am.
What do mean by Cross-Connect ?,do you mean when re-connecting don't connect to the wrong terminals,or accidentally short out to the power ?.
I have no doubts that the www.fordscorpio.co.uk version is correct  even though up-to now it hasn't activated either fob. The version that Philip provided is very different,he has had favourable reports on the forum.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:47am
On a battery you will invariably find two poles: a Plus and a Minus, both having say a bunch  3 fat & thin wires connected to them each.

Philip's apparant idea is (not unlike the cure for hung computers) to take off all wiring from both poles and put thos together for say 3 mins.

So the battery is isolated, must be fully disconnected, i.e. naked poles.

Easiest usually is leave the wiring on each clamp, disconnect/unscrew the clapms, cover the battery for security with a newspaper, hold them up in the air and connect them for a few mins.

That should reset and make leak away any built up chrages. Unlikely in a car but who knows.

After reconnect and contact ON you will find the needles of your instruments spinning, while the instrument cluster processor is reset. It would be abnormal if they would not spin.

In the process you will also have reset your CCM and EEC-V/PCM. The process will not clear any stored DTC's nor your mileage and sometimes it is seen to cure ABS problems.

HTH
Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:52am

on 02/23/11 at 08:36:51, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
Hi Ray. Thank you for your early morning 'Hung Brain' jolt call. I am a bit fuddled this time of the morning,no not booze far to late on the PC last night/am.
What do mean by Cross-Connect ?,do you mean when re-connecting don't connect to the wrong terminals,or accidentally short out to the power ?.
I have no doubts that the www.fordscorpio.co.uk version is correct  even though up-to now it hasn't activated either fob. The version that Philip provided is very different,he has had favourable reports on the forum.



How does his version look?

Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Highlander on Feb 23rd, 2011, 9:35am

on 02/22/11 at 21:00:00, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
Has anyone knowledge of this?


Never heard of anything like it but always willing to learn something new, I'm an intrigued sceptic ;D

***EDIT***

Been Googling this, apparently its a capacitor discharge and instantly removes any residual charge left in the ECU etc.

Does the same thing as leaving the battery disconnected for a while, which we do before working on airbags etc.

It seems to be a fairly common practice but there also seems to be some disaster stories when doing it too, blowing amplifiers seems to be a common one...

I might try it on someone elses Scorpio one day ;)
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Cosray on Feb 23rd, 2011, 9:43am
... in cars I agree with you it seems iffy however in office and domestic electronics the procedure works and can be explained.

Remember the process if you ever have a computer in which for instance you insert a digital camera card for upload and bang - it hangs.

Or while running you insert a USB connector or a T11 network cable and it freezes.

May save you much time & Aggro

Ray
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:17am
Hi to Ray and Stuart. I am by nature a Pessimistic Optimist,with an occasional tendency towards Optomistic Pessimism. Now to put that into Perspective,the Cemetery is Full of Dead Heroes and would be Joan of Arc figures.
I am going to go with the notion of 'Don't fix something that is only Half Busted'. I will persevere with the more regular  re-programming of the remote control  fixes.
If I stumble on one, I will post my findings on the forum.

Oh,there was one item that came to light late last night/early am whilst in the car attempting the process.
At one point in the method from Philip Heap there was a very distinct click coming from the region of the centre console,coincidentally the passenger heated seat seams to have ceased to 'Warm Super'.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Tompion on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:23am
The relay for the heated seats is in the centre console & clicks on off (or not as now may be the case with yours) with the ignition.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Highlander on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:24am
The first time i tried reprogamming I had to vary the timing of the key turns to get it to work, I think initially i was doing it too slowly
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:24am
Hi to you all out there. A rather unexpected finding. Using the forum method,every thing in sequence happened as written. It d**ned well wouldn't last night/early am.The mysterious click is still audible, GUESS WHAT !!??,it still doesn't ,no they don't work.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Highlander on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:26am
Do the remotes definitely work?

might be worth "borrowing" a known working one just to double check
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:29am

on 02/23/11 at 11:23:07, Tompion wrote:
The relay for the heated seats is in the centre console & clicks on off (or not as now may be the case with yours) with the ignition.


Ah ha said the blind man,now I say see what you are saying.

Stuart,thank you for you last little Pearl of Wisdom !!,Timing is Everything as the Actress allegedly suggested to The Bishop.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Tompion on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:31am
Probably the best bet is to try a swap with another & see if that works on yours & yours works on another car.
I have a spare if you want to swap via post.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:39am

on 02/23/11 at 11:31:20, Tompion wrote:
Probably the best bet is to try a swap with another & see if that works on yours & yours works on another car.
I have a spare if you want to swap via post.


Hi Tompion,Stuart suggested that just before you and whilst I was one finger typing.
Surely for that to work as:- in trial by substitution;the substituted one would need to be programmed to the car ie. mine and therefore dead to the one that it belongs to. With respect is that not a recipe for  Fried or Scramble remote controls ?.
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Highlander on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:42am
You should be able to program them from one car to another and back no problem.

I have done it and seen it done many times at the Scorpio meetings ;)

The other difficulty I had initially with the programming instructions were that it implies pauses between the different instructions.

I found that turning the key to position 1 then completing the off/on cycle at an even pace worked, although some cars do seem to sound the bong at different stages in the process :)
Title: Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
Post by Tompion on Feb 23rd, 2011, 12:11pm
My spare was originally programmed to another car, I had no problem programming it to mine or setting both my fobs up to individual seat settings.


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