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(Message started by: shooshyneman on Jan 23^rd, 2012, 7:50pm)

Title: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 23^rd, 2012, 7:50pm

Flat completely flat. Not a thingyy bird. No indication of a problem whatsoever. Started this morning having stood all weekend, no dancing dials, came out at lunchtime wouldnt unlock? so used the key. No dash lights no interior lights no nothing not even door warning lights. So where do I start? 2.5 TD estate of course.

(I didnt write "thingy bird" it changed it from d i c k y bird)
Is this another thing I' ve broken today?

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 23^rd, 2012, 8:19pm

Looks like glowplugs could be stuck on. removed fuse and seems to hold charge. Is there a relay somewhere or a diagram?

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Simmo on Jan 23^rd, 2012, 8:52pm

Looks like there is one in the engine compartment. Have a look at This (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/aux_relays.gif).

Then scroll through This (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=eb36f845ea9b8fb6&id=EB36F845EA9B8FB6%21146#cid=EB36F845EA9B8FB6&id=EB36F845EA9B8FB6%21181)

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Matt on Jan 23^rd, 2012, 9:56pm

Relay is down by the headlights

Ive had similar where the negative lead hasnt been tightened up right and the rush from the starter knocks it out

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 24^th, 2012, 6:49pm

Magic! just where you said it would be Matt. Swapped it over to the other car, it works perfectly?? put the good one into the duff car lo and behold it works perfectly?? Was it just stuck and Ive nudged it or is there a more devious plot?

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Matt on Jan 24^th, 2012, 8:25pm

Joints may have gone dry, pulling it out will have cleaned it a bit where the terminal rubs

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 24^th, 2012, 9:57pm

NOT Magic -anoying - Now no gloplug light. Car wont start??? but heated windscreen light is lit,albeit dimly is this a coincidence or a sign? :-[

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 25^th, 2012, 8:54am

Heated windscreen light is on without ignition. Removed fuse from F41 LHS Windscreen heater and it goes off. But battery is now flat so charging. see what happens later. But the glowplug relay (the good one) is not working. Going to test it but I think it has broken??

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 25^th, 2012, 10:36am

OK the relay is fine. But it now doesnt operate when it is in the car so what powers it?? and yes the fuse is OK
Doing my head in now. :-X

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Matt on Jan 25^th, 2012, 7:09pm

Strip the battery side fuse box, sounds like its damp, oe you have a short in the loom in the engine bay

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by solarpanel on Jan 25^th, 2012, 7:25pm

what year?

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 26^th, 2012, 8:36am

1998 R reg . Is there something like a temperature sensor that turns these glowplugs off when the engine is running?
or do they stay on all the time?

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Matt on Jan 26^th, 2012, 12:40pm

They are controlled with the relay. It has a circuit inside that keeps the glow plugs on while on cold start

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 26^th, 2012, 7:46pm

WELL ITS ALL VERY WEIRD. The glowplug relay wont come on. so I hot wired them to start the car. when it was warm all is ok except warning indicator doesnt come on. ie glowplugs wont work but when warm it doesnt need them. So When I turned it off it wouldnt stop running???? so I drove it round the block and turned it off. It was OK. I opened up the fuse box and yes water. I've dried it all out odd things seem to have stopped happening. The glowplugs still wont come on? The relay does work I swapped it back just to be sure. The car does now turn off. For the timebeing. Does the 1st injector need power to stop the engine or does it need power removing?? Its automatic so can't shove it in1st and stall it!!

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Simmo on Jan 27^th, 2012, 8:01am

on 01/25/12 at 19:09:07, Matt wrote:

Strip the battery side fuse box, sounds like its damp, oe you have a short in the loom in the engine bay

Looks like Matt was right !. ;) You may think you've dried the fusebox BUT have a read of This article (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fusebox2.htm). As you will see from the picture the box is made up of several layers and the copper contacts sit in shallow depressions. If dampness is still in any of these 'tracks' it will cause problems. You may need to spend time with a hair dryer to try and dry it out further. The main point is how did the water get in there?. Have you got both the fusebox cover and a battery cover properly fitted?. If you have then you need to check that the drain holes are clear around the base of the battery.
Look at This page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/battery.htm) which will show you how to remove the bulkhead panel in front of the battery to ensure it is clear.

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Matt on Jan 27^th, 2012, 9:17am

If that sounds to much work, ill strip and check one i have and do you it for £20 exchange for yours

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 28^th, 2012, 12:18pm

Yes, Simmo asks the best question, how did it get in there? Fuse cover was on. Battery cover was on, drain holes and battery compartment clear at the minute I'm fooled. I have a spare fuse box from a 94 Granda Scorpio somewhere ,does any one know if they are the same. Matt If I cant find it or if it is different I might take you up on your offer. In the meantime I can still use the car with the glowplug button I have rigged up on the dashboard" In the meantime back to Hairdrying!!!!

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Simmo on Jan 28^th, 2012, 3:17pm

Another item which might help is to aquire some silica packages..like those suplied with cameras etc.. as they are designed to draw out moisture, and place them in the box. ;)
Have a look Here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1g-x-100-silica-gel-sachets-pouches-DESICCANT-NEW-/230640831247?pt=UK_Packaging_Materials&hash=item35b343cb0f)

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Jan 30^th, 2012, 7:22pm

Good Idea Simmo. Stuffed it full of these packages over the week end, and it seems to be behaving itself for now. Still flumuxed as to how it got wet in the first place.

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Tompion on Jan 30^th, 2012, 10:23pm

I was giving my battery tray a good clean out with soapy water when I changed the battery recently. It struck me it wouldn’t drain very well if you parked on a steep uphill gradient.

The battery cover should have a raised boss where the nut goes to prevent water seeping through the hole. I know these often break off but I wouldn’t have thought it would get across to fuse box.

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by Mike H on Feb 2^nd, 2012, 1:23pm

on 01/30/12 at 22:23:26, Tompion wrote:

It struck me it wouldn’t drain very well if you parked on a steep uphill gradient.

That figures to me too.

Another possible treatment, I know a lot of folks larf at WD40 but I give my fuseboxes an occasional good soaking in the stuff, it drives out damp and the resultant greasy film helps keep it from going back in (?)

Title: Re: Non Electricite
Post by shooshyneman on Feb 4^th, 2012, 11:55am

It seems to be behaving itself for the time being. It is usually parked facing downhill! so bang goes that theory. keep looking in but it hasnt rained so much recently and everything is frozen anyway. Might try the wd40