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(Message started by: xr4s_r_ace on Feb 27^th, 2012, 7:55pm)

Title: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Feb 27^th, 2012, 7:55pm

Hi Guys, took the sump off to have a crack repaired (speed hump victim) and found two biggish pieces of brown plastic in the sump. The engine (24v bob) had started making a bit of a rattle on start up but immeadiately stops and runs sweet as a nut. Would i be right in thinking that its pieces of chain guide or might there be other underlying problems that have caused the problem. Any advice much appreciated.
Cheers pete.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by gozz on Feb 27^th, 2012, 8:12pm

Certainly sounds like bits of chain guide,most 24v's have a little chain rattle on start up,you'd think if the guides were busted the rattle would be permanent,maybe the bits are from a previous repair job 8)
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Feb 27^th, 2012, 8:27pm

Ta for that. Would damaged guides cause chain rattle ?

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Matt on Feb 27^th, 2012, 9:40pm

Yes and no, the bobs are known to rattle from the tensioners draining off

you need to sort the guides asap or risk a chain snap or damaged sprockets

burton power now sell the guides at around £20 a piece

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by solarpanel on Feb 28^th, 2012, 9:49pm

do the guides asap as mine failed and had to fit 6 new ex valves

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Feb 28^th, 2012, 10:03pm

Yes it has to be done... ???. Hassle i could have done well without, but hey ho onwards and upwards. Have took both intake manifolds off and have just sussed that maybe i did,nt have to, am i right?. On the plus side have found some broken breather T pieces. Will the water pump come off with the front casing or does it have to be removed...trying to save myself a bit of work.
Cheers pete. :-/

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Matt on Feb 28^th, 2012, 10:43pm

Yeah manifolds have to come off as it 10 times easier with the heads off rocker covers have to come off anyway

front cover should come off with the water pump still.attached but there are 3 bolts most people forget, theres one in each head at the front, little alen key typew and one in the V

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 1^st, 2012, 9:20pm

Nice one, thanks for that. Just been to local ford dealer and sump gasket no longer available...Gonna have to get wad punches and gasket paper out.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Snoopy on Mar 2^nd, 2012, 7:10am

Have you tried fordpartsuk and ask trevor porter if he can help

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by amigafan2003 on Mar 2^nd, 2012, 1:51pm

Try Specialised Engines or Burton power in Essex for parts as well.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 5^th, 2012, 9:07pm

Cheers guys, nice one matt about the 3 bolts in the v. What a corking idea to put one in rear entry. Not much left of the engine to take apart now, found a damaged chain guide , hence the bits so it was,nt a waste of time. Bad news is the chains seem to be a bit baggy... ??? Gonna have to change em, any ideas where to source them, genuine ford at burton power £150+ each. Might take a link out and fit a spring link...lol

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Matt on Mar 5^th, 2012, 10:31pm

Ive got a couple of old chains, ill dig them out and check them over

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 5^th, 2012, 10:38pm

Cheers matt, i,ll watch this space. :)

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 7^th, 2012, 10:26am

They don't usually need chains or sprockets ;)

You do need to strip BOTH tensioners and very carefully clean the one way valves.

Also make sure the N/S one is the "modified" type the plunger must be the same length as the O/S !!

My N/S one wasn't despite my cars history saying the recall had been done >:(
My Scorpio always had a slight brrrrp on a cold morning start ;)

Only came to light recently when I checked it over as the engine is now 4wd and going in a Puma ;D

It is the one way valves that cause drain back, which causes rattle on start up, which causes broken guides...............In that order ;)

As said Burton Power or Specialised Engines sell the bits, including individual gaskets at sensible money.

HTH,

Regards Dave

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 7^th, 2012, 7:24pm

Cheers Dave, have only got one tensioner off so far,but will deffo check that one out. The left hand chain is still under tension but there seems to be a lot of slack at the bottom end of the chain, think it could bite me on the bum if i dont change the chains at least. Got a decent price of £35 inc vat from eurocar parts for a pattern chain, it wont be the best but for the use the car gets it should do the job. Whats the story on how to re-fit the cover with the chain guides, is there a top tip on how to do it. Cheers Pete.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Tompion on Mar 7^th, 2012, 9:02pm

Have you looked at the manuals here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/CosV6manual.htm

Or the rebuild pictures here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/24vrebuild.htm

Also
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/timingchain29.htm

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/engdata24v.htm

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 7^th, 2012, 9:22pm

Excellent...ta for that. :)

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 7^th, 2012, 9:31pm

Whats the special tool required for fitting the timing chain cover... ???

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Tompion on Mar 7^th, 2012, 10:34pm

I’ve had no dealings with the 24v so I don’t know if this is what you mean:
The list of special tools for the timing chain PDF doesn’t include 21–137 which it tells you to use on page 20.

It’s listed in the engine dismantle PDF as:
21–137
Oil seal installer/aligner

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Matt on Mar 7^th, 2012, 11:10pm

Ive never used any special tool

i just keep the chain taught on the drive side and feed the guides past them. leave the tensioners out so that you dont accidently set them off

i fit the cover with the heads off, it can be a pain getting the heads on but i find it the most reliable

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Mike H on Mar 8^th, 2012, 4:06pm

Hang on a minute, "speed hump victim" ? http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/surprised.gif

One of them like square ones that stick up in the middle of the road? Just guessing...

No chance claiming off the council I suppose?

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 8^th, 2012, 7:35pm

Lol, nice one mike. I was going rather fast when i went over it, a tad over the 30 and i did take a bit of the hump off...rough justice i suppose. ???

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 8^th, 2012, 7:38pm

Regarding the special tool, it might be wise to fit the new oil seal after ive got the casing on then, interesting times ahead. Cheers guys.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by Mike H on Mar 9^th, 2012, 2:00pm

on 03/08/12 at 19:35:40, xr4s_r_ace wrote:

Lol, nice one mike. I was going rather fast when i went over it, a tad over the 30 and i did take a bit of the hump off...rough justice i suppose. ???

Ah!! Oh well you got "bitten" then ;D

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by gozz on Mar 9^th, 2012, 3:39pm

on 03/08/12 at 19:38:58, xr4s_r_ace wrote:

Regarding the special tool, it might be wise to fit the new oil seal after ive got the casing on then, interesting times ahead. Cheers guys.

Fit the seal into the front cover first,then put the bolts in loosely,and push the pulley through the seal to centralise it,then tighten the bolts.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Plastic bits in the sump
Post by xr4s_r_ace on Mar 9^th, 2012, 7:49pm

Right, nice one. Cant beat a top tip. Its getting the chain round the tensioner and the guide that looks tricky...and then fitting the casing. Dont you just love a challenge. :)