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(Message started by: Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 11:43am)

Title: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 11:43am

Hi I am considering buying a 2.5 scorpio but the owner says that when you turn the key it will not turn over. He seems to think it may need a new starter motor. Is this a common fault or could it possibly be a relay or something else?

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 12:09pm

Oh and could the rear bumper on my saloon fit on the estate?

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by bernard_slade on Apr 4^th, 2013, 1:11pm

when the key is turned to start do the lights dim ?that would indicate starter connected but could mean a siezed or otherwise broken engine and real big money-if no electrical response could be a pats problem where it thinks its locked and immobilised . i thappened to me once and the AA couldnt sort it nor could another guy who turned up to recover me and the local garage replaced a 20 amp fuse and all was well but they wouldnt tell me the fuse number they replaced

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 2:39pm

Ok talking to the seller it seems that it begins to turn over and then the starter starts clicking which hopefully narrows it down a bit.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Simmo on Apr 4^th, 2013, 2:57pm

One classic problem is a battery with insufficient charge to actually START the car as opposed to turning it over. :)

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Scorpio on Apr 4^th, 2013, 4:33pm

Is it in Middlesbrough? Saloon rear bumper is different to Estate version.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 5:07pm

It is middlesbrough Scorpio have you seen it? He says he bought a new battery for it in December

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Matt on Apr 4^th, 2013, 6:11pm

ive got a starter motor if needed

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Scorpio on Apr 4^th, 2013, 8:16pm

Andycan, i was going to see it this weekend, workload permitting. So busy at the moment. Still, ideal for spares though. After speaking to Ian yesterday it does appear to be a starter/solenoid fault but without seeing it in person I can only take the owners word whether it cranks over or not. Matt's offer of a starter is a good option to start with.
Also, as Simmo mentioned the battery on the VM has to be A1.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Apr 4^th, 2013, 9:05pm

Matt pm sent

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Matt on Apr 4^th, 2013, 9:57pm

Replied :)

Title: lock out 2.5 diesel p reg
Post by robert on Nov 16^th, 2013, 4:19pm

Hi I am a new member I have 2.5 diesel scorpio p reg.Iam lock out battery has been flat three
years I have the bonnet open any body can advise

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Nov 16^th, 2013, 5:03pm

the key should still unlock your car door and if you recharge the battery or put another one on everything should start working again but the computer will have to relearn how to run your engine smoothly which takes a short drive or on tickover for a while with a few revs now and again

Andy

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by robert on Nov 16^th, 2013, 10:24pm

it was my father's is there special way to program the keys

Robert

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Nov 16^th, 2013, 11:11pm

The key should not need to reprogrammed unless you have changed the locks. Where are you we might have a member near you that could pop round and help if they are not too far away.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Nov 16^th, 2013, 11:12pm

Are you talking about the key or the remote?

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Matt on Nov 17^th, 2013, 9:00am

If you have the keys you should still be able to open the front doors or boot.

Being a p reg its 50/50 as to wether it has the pats system. Do the keys have ared square on the end of them?

Can you hear any relays clicking when fitting the new battery?

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by robert on Nov 17^th, 2013, 10:52am

Hi Thank for replying. I have red key and key with red square in it, alarm is going when I fit new battery .
I remember my father saying there was process with keys in doors I cantn't
remember what that was. There no relay clicks except the alarm

Robert.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by robert on Nov 17^th, 2013, 11:00am

Hi Matt when I put red key turn to the front , I hear three clicks in side car

Robert

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by robert on Nov 17^th, 2013, 11:05am

Hi again this is special car it came straight from FORD it was test car for diesel engine
Robert

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Andycan on Nov 17^th, 2013, 11:18am

When you connect the bettery the alarm will go off as the car might think that someone is trying to break into it so you need to put the key in the door lock and turn it towards the back to unlock it and the alarm should turn off. You turn the key to the back of the car to open the doors and forwards to lock them.

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Simmo on Nov 17^th, 2013, 11:27am

Robert the key programming your father meant is here (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/pats.htm). The alarm horn is behind the battery so if you're annoying the neighbours it might pay to disconnect it! There is also an alarm switch on the bonnet slam panel so you could tape that down to ensure it is closed while you are trying things. As Andy suggested earlier if you put up where you are someone may be willing/able to help you. :)

Title: Re: 2.5 diesel non starter
Post by Matt on Nov 17^th, 2013, 4:17pm

im pretty sure you have to lock and then unlock it to stop the alarm,

where are you located, someone here may be close enough to help?

the 2.5 to start with same engine setup as the granada, the M reg i had was a bit of a hybrid of the 2 models, but ive seen nothing later then an N reg with the 2 bits, as yours has the red key and red chip it will be the latter setup