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(Message started by: goldie on Nov 29^th, 2010, 3:33pm)

Title: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Nov 29^th, 2010, 3:33pm

hi
im after an auto gearbox and tourqe converter either 12v 2.9
or an 2.5 diesel
anybody help ??
cheers goldie

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Nov 29^th, 2010, 8:28pm

goldie.
ro 384 has a 12v for breaking,see his post below.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Stixy on Nov 29^th, 2010, 8:44pm

I have a good one here from a 93 12v Granada/Scorpio i am in Lincolnshire and the gearbox is out the car waiting to go .
Any good ?

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Nov 30^th, 2010, 7:16am

not sure as mine is a 1998 ???
cheers
goldie

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Nov 30^th, 2010, 9:31am

The 12v was discontinued around 1996,when the petrol cars all had the full electronic box,the 12v box carried on with the diesels controlled by the old EEC 1V pcm.As far as I am aware the box remained the same,however some of the diesel owners will know for sure,Highlander,Shooshyneman et al ?.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Highlander on Nov 30^th, 2010, 10:28am

I dont know,

I had always assumed that the diesel autobox was the same as the 12v indeed it does says that on the main site in the Ford literature

However, Bill (Shooshyneman) reckons they have a different box and as he has three of them I would think he knows more than most of us ;D

I'd never even seen a diesel autos till I saw his at Harewood last year..

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Nov 30^th, 2010, 6:29pm

Mmmm how can i tell if it has the right box??
and also how would i get in touch with shooshyneman ??
cheers fer yer help !
goldie

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Nov 30^th, 2010, 8:34pm

The fully electronic (later) box has an overdrive button on the selector lever and two buttons near the lever E economy mode,and S sport mode,the early box has a vacuum unit on the offside,the pipe to which runs from the engine down over the bell housing,it also has an electric kickdown solenoid on the nearside controlled,at least on the 12 valve,by a switch interposed in the accelerator cable on the engine.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Stixy on Nov 30^th, 2010, 11:20pm

If yours is a Diesel the valve block in the 12v box will be different as they are set to the type of engine so that the changes are made within the engines "powerband "

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 1^st, 2010, 7:26am

ive got a feelin that mine has the wrong box !!
i have all the electric plugs, kick down solenoid etc no overdrive button or snow or sport i know what ya mean cos ive had a couple of 24vs

i need to source myself a diesel auto box !! to be sure cos it aint right . the guy i brought it off said it had had another gearbox 4 years ago but i dont think its had a diesel box fitted ????
and if the box is from the wrong model im guessing that the gearchanges wont be right anyway as the diesel has totally different tourqe ranges ?

any body got a diesel ulitma auto box ??
cheers
goldie

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Dec 1^st, 2010, 9:58am

on 11/30/10 at 23:20:50, Stixy wrote:

If yours is a Diesel the valve block in the 12v box will be different as they are set to the type of engine so that the changes are made within the engines "powerband "

Stixy.
We need advice from Dave the auto man,would it not be far more logical for the PCM to control the timing of the valve block since the oil is diverted by it to the various clutches etc,the A4LDe (early) box has two solenoids inside it which are electronically actuated,one of the deciders being the speed sensor ?
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Highlander on Dec 1^st, 2010, 10:21am

on 11/30/10 at 18:29:53, goldie wrote:

Mmmm how can i tell if it has the right box??
and also how would i get in touch with shooshyneman ??
cheers fer yer help !
goldie

I've emailed him the link to this thread

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Stixy on Dec 1^st, 2010, 1:00pm

on 12/01/10 at 09:58:19, gozz wrote:

The 12v box has a 3 pin lockup plug so only 3-4 4-3 and lockup is controled by the pcm but nothing else
i dont know about the diesel as i have never seen one . Dave will know though

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Dec 2^nd, 2010, 8:12pm

on 12/01/10 at 10:21:42, Highlander wrote:

I've emailed him the link to this thread

Stuart.
Did you mean Dave or Shooshyneman ?
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 3^rd, 2010, 6:58am

shooshyneman

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 4^th, 2010, 5:56pm

LOL out of all the hundreds of Scorpio Autos I've done over the years, I've never seen a Diesel Scorpio Auto.

I doubt that the 12V box will work correctly, as the 3-4 shift and the Lock up is electronically controlled.....Someone else has already correctly said this ;)

I'm pretty sure the Diesels are full hydraulic control, with no solenoids at all internally.

I'd get the proper diesel box to be certain, or send me a complete dead diesel unit and I'll rebuild it for you.

HTH Cheers Dave

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Dec 4^th, 2010, 9:28pm

Thanks Dave,that may be the early Granada 3 box then with a two pin plug rather than three,I think there is still one in my shed from the Coleman Milne Mk 7 era,ie the pre cat/airbag Mk3 Granada,the later one,Mk 8 (pre Scorpio) having the same as the Scorpio (Mk 9).
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 4^th, 2010, 10:30pm

i dont have a box to rebuild else i would prob do it !!! gutted!!

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 4^th, 2010, 10:32pm

thanks for your info dave ,
but im really confused now as how to tell if mines a diesel box ???

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by gozz on Dec 4^th, 2010, 11:03pm

goldie.
If it turns out to be a two pin early Mk3 Granada box,you can have the one lurking here gratis.We need further investigations,my auto man is very illusive,however I have his Christmas money here,and expect him to surface soon ;) when he does I will get him to check the archives.You don't say where you are in your profile ?
GOZZ.

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 4^th, 2010, 11:08pm

yer a star im in birmingham thanks fer yer help gozz hate bein a pain !!!

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 5^th, 2010, 11:33am

Goldie / Guys,

Been speaking to some other Auto Gurus ;)

The easiest way to do this is if Goldie can get a Metrocab diesel box, they have no solenoids inside at all, and the calibration in the valve block will suit, also earlier transit diesel auto box, but you will need to change the front bellhousing carefully, and if using a Transit box also change the governor inside the rear extension housing for a "car" one, one out of a 12v box will do ;)

HTH Dave

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by shooshyneman on Dec 19^th, 2010, 5:53pm

I,m no help I've only seen the diesel autobox. Which didn,t come out until 1997 thats why its rare! I was under the impression it was different to all the others but have been told it is the same hybrid box as the V6 12V cologne engine. I beleive that the 4th gear and converter lock up clutch is controlled bythe PCM in the case of the diesel the older EEC1V It is the A4LDe Mine cruises at 70 at just over 2000rpm the petrol engine must rev much higher so something must be different?

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by goldie on Dec 19^th, 2010, 6:05pm

thanx gozz yer a star could ya let me know when he turns up so i can check mine !

:D thanx again !!
and merry crimbo to you and yours
all the best
goldie

Title: Re: auto gearbox
Post by Highlander on Dec 19^th, 2010, 10:57pm

on 12/19/10 at 17:53:27, shooshyneman wrote:

Mine cruises at 70 at just over 2000rpm the petrol engine must rev much higher so something must be different?

Different diff ratio, dunno if your gears will be different