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(Message started by: MrJones on Aug 6^th, 2011, 12:26pm)

Title: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 6^th, 2011, 12:26pm

Hi,
Have spoken to Fords and they want,
£36.86 + vat for a Auto box sump GASKET,part No.6941997
£27.64 for an Auto box Screen/Pan filter,part No.4000411

Ford Scorpio Ultima 16v 2.3 Auto Saloon.

Does anyone no where I can get these parts any cheeper.
Many thanx.
Mr Jones.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by PJDavis on Aug 6^th, 2011, 6:32pm

That's about right I think, I've done mine twice at 10,000 miles apart because the owner before got a burst pipe and the 'joe-soap' garage that fixed the problem put cheap auto-fluid oil in that the car didn't like. I shall be doing mine again in 1500 miles when it gains it's 100,000 mile mark. My gearbox has improved since, and the oils has stayed clean.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 6^th, 2011, 6:53pm

There are also 2 O rings:
6152081 & 6117033

Check the length of the filter bolt as they sometimes need to be shorter or packed out with washers for the later filters.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 6^th, 2011, 7:25pm

Thanks for the info,

So I require 1 of each of the O rings you mention?

The car has done 178,000 miles, not sure wether the gearbox is the same from new. Niether can I tell you the last time it had a gearbox oil change.

Oil is a clear brown with no nasty smell, you hear the pump on start up some times and it's gear change is at the wrong speeds and it sometimes cattle grids as you pull away, done the MAF and got my overdrive back and it runs a lot smoother, planning a road trip of about 3 hours, normaly only ever drive it for about 30mins at a time, so hence I want to make sure the box will not fail.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 6^th, 2011, 7:31pm

1 of each

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 6^th, 2011, 8:42pm

what size are the filter bolts so I can get a pack of decent washers, just in case?

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by lleewar on Aug 6^th, 2011, 9:41pm

Look on ebay. There is a Ford dealership selling them for 60.00

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by lleewar on Aug 6^th, 2011, 9:42pm

Not bolts, the complete filter set :)

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by gozz on Aug 6^th, 2011, 9:46pm

Mr Jones.
You may well find that an autobox repairer or a supplier of autobox parts could supply the bits at a fair price,worth a look on the internet,the filter bolts are 10mm head,app 7mm shaft,1/4"washers would suffice,or you could cut a bit off the original bolt with a little hacksaw.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 10^th, 2011, 12:07pm

Cheers guys.
Dan.
MrJones

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 10^th, 2011, 12:15pm

Can't find the ford guy on ebay, can anyone direct me.
Many thanks,
Mr Jones.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 10^th, 2011, 12:17pm

The guy at my local ford dealership has called the fillter a screen is this the correct part. No.4000411

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by PJDavis on Aug 10^th, 2011, 2:05pm

Yes. 4000411 is the filter. 6117033 is one 'O' ring. 6152081 is the other 'O' ring. 6941977 is the sump gasket. Make sure you use the right oil.

Hth Peter

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 10^th, 2011, 10:28pm

The Ebay one has had a footnote for ages that says:
Please note that this kit is currently on backorder from
Ford with no expected release date from ford:
You can still place an order for the kit but please be aware
That there is no guarantied delivery date for this item.

However it doesn’t say that on their main site, but whether it will if you get to the order page I don’t know:
http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/ford_scorpio_auto_box_gasketscreen_filter_and_seal_kit_1343.htm

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 12^th, 2011, 7:43am

Cheers Tompion,

Ordered parts this morn,
No mention of delay "yet"
payed by Paypal "great stuff"
All for £56 including postage.

Got the oil from local LVW shop £20 per 4.5 lts

Ran the car from Moreton on the Wirral to Blackpool and back, about 2hours there on A roads and 1and a half hours coming back on motorway.
I could here the oil pump for a couple of seconds and a bit of cattle grid effect on start of return journey, other than that ran sweet.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 12^th, 2011, 10:42am

Fingers crossed then.
I’d been thinking off doing mine again, so interested to know if they turn up.

I used a cheap plastic drill powered pump off Ebay to get the oil out of the dipstick hole, you can get a small tube to the bottom of the pan (1/4” - 6mm I think).
Cut the tube at an angle so it doesn’t seal to the pan.
It was a bit touch and go getting it to work, the pump had to be primed and the oil had to be hot with such a weak pump & as there’s likely to be a lot of sludge at the bottom start off with the tube an inch or so off the bottom.
The tube can get snagged where the dipstick tube meets the box, so mark the tube with the length of the dipstick, it should go in another inch or so.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 12^th, 2011, 1:18pm

Got flexible tubing I use for the air pump in my fishtank,
My oil in the gearbox feels quite thin so mite try and use the sythone approach,
Just gotta watch I don't get a mouthfull.

Was gonna just loosen the sumpnuts and let it drain slowly into a big tray I have got.
But was wouried it mite go everywere.

Am on holiday from work but not going anywere so have plenty of time to do the job if the parts arrive very soon.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 12^th, 2011, 2:11pm

I couldn’t get it to syphon, even upping the size of tube as it left the dipstick hole to reduce drag didn’t help.
I have managed to get some out cold using a vacuum cleaner and a catchment tank (one of Simmo’s brewing syrup buckets :)) & I think that would work if the oil was hot.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Mike H on Aug 12^th, 2011, 6:55pm

"Preferred" method might be loosen the sump, or take the lower (?) cooler hose off; someone who's done it may be along presently ;D

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by gozz on Aug 12^th, 2011, 8:02pm

You can pump the oil out with an SU petrol pump,it's rather slow but works OK,this of course obviates the big mess.Remember that the torque converter can't be emptied,the early autos had a bung in the converter and a plate under the bell housing,but not so the Scorpio.If you feel really keen you can let the oil pump out through a cooler pipe,then top it up again and have another go,then after you have cleaned the pan out you will have clean oil in the converter.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by retiredjames on Aug 13^th, 2011, 8:33am

Is syphoning the auto gearbox oil out a good idea? I was always under the impression that the sludge which had gathered on the floor of the sump would not be removed by using this method and that the sump should be removed and cleaned.
Retired James

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 13^th, 2011, 9:03am

The thread is about changing the oil filter ;)
The idea is to remove the oil (no drain plug) prior to taking the sump off to replace the filter, rather than juggling a sump pan full of oil.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 13^th, 2011, 12:18pm

Got a large plastic tray and a 6 litr plastic tub with a specialy designed drain hole in the side so will probably loosen the sump untill i get a steady flow in to the tray and tub and leave it overnight to drain. ;)

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 13^th, 2011, 12:21pm

Is Kitchen roll ok to use to clean any sluge that mite be in the bottom of the sump and around the interia of the gearbox?

Also, how long does the new screw need to be, would rather change the screw than pack it out with washers?

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 13^th, 2011, 2:06pm

Best of luck, if you’re only using wheel ramps, chances are what's left in the pan won’t end up in the container >:(

Don’t know the length of the bolt or whether you need to change yours, screw it in the hole and compare the gap to the thickness of the filter fixing boss.

No reason not to pack the bolt – it sits in a recess, just make sure it doesn’t bottom in the hole as
A/ the filter may not seat onto the seals which may result in air being drawn in with the oil and
B/ small bolts bottoming in aluminium have a nasty habit of stripping the thread.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by tonyboy on Aug 13^th, 2011, 2:52pm

Havn't read the full thread but. I drained my oil from the oil cooler, i think it was the bttom hose i drained it from. Plus be careful when tightening the filter bolt. Do not tighten it too much, else it will break
Tony

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Mike H on Aug 14^th, 2011, 11:42am

^ That seems the way to me also. + Take its dipstick out as well to let the air in.

on 08/13/11 at 12:21:09, MrJones wrote:

Is Kitchen roll ok to use to clean any sluge that mite be in the bottom of the sump and around the interia of the gearbox?

NO! Could end end up with bits of paper in the works, not good! What I would normally do in these cases is wash it out with some petrol or 50/50 petrol/paraffin mix and a small decorator's paint brush (say 1 inch size)

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 14^th, 2011, 1:05pm

^

You'll still have oil in the sump - but you can use your ruined shirt to mop the sludge out with ;)

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 15^th, 2011, 12:50pm

Thanx guys, my bits are due tomorow and I am away for a couple of days so will perform the operation on sat morn, going to Derby sunday so hope I do it properly. :)

Will white spirit do, got plenty of that?

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Tompion on Aug 15^th, 2011, 1:36pm

In spite of the oil being filthy in my autobox & a very generous layer of sludge in the pan, the internals had dripped quite clean so you probably don’t need to touch that (not that there’s much to see apart from the valve body and wiring to the servo’s).
Wipe the pan with rag no reason not to use kitchen towel on that. There’s a magnetic strip in the pan just held by magnetism, so make sure it goes back.
The gasket has several steel spacers* (you’ll see them on your new gasket) make sure non get left behind as they can stick to the joint faces.

Look at page 3 here if you want to get an idea of what you’ll see above the pan:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/autotrans/A4LDEoverhaul.pdf

*called "torque limiters (x 36)" in the PDF

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Mike H on Aug 15^th, 2011, 1:56pm

on 08/14/11 at 13:05:20, Tompion wrote:

You'll still have oil in the sump - but you can use your ruined shirt to mop the sludge out with ;)

That's the idea ;D ~ only wear stuff that was going to be trashed anyway

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 20^th, 2011, 3:30pm

Thanx guys, started the drain loosend the bolts to the rear of the sump, dripping quite nicely.
will keep you informed.

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 20^th, 2011, 9:51pm

All has gone very well. Took it for a little run round the block and every thing feels fine.
Big drive to Derby tommorow.
will take it for a run until its up to temp and check everything, before the main run. :)

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by Mike H on Aug 21^st, 2011, 6:14pm

Congratulations! http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/images/misc/th_thumbsup.gif

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by MrJones on Aug 24^th, 2011, 9:38am

:) Everything went smooth Derby and back + Matlock and back about 6 1/2 hours driving in total in 3 days and no problems. The oil pump was noisy for a wile everytime I started the car from cold but has now stopped.
Next is my MOT in november, Middle box on exaust needs welding and the sill on passenger side also requires some welding or replacing and wheel arches at the back are startin to look bad. :'(
Not got much funds so don't no what to do. ???

Title: Re: Auto Gearbox Oil change.
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Aug 24^th, 2011, 12:24pm

on 08/24/11 at 09:38:43, MrJones wrote:

Next is my MOT in november, Middle box on exaust needs welding and the sill on passenger side also requires some welding or replacing and wheel arches at the back are startin to look bad. :'(
Not got much funds so don't no what to do. ???

As long as the wheel arches have no sharp edges they wont fail as they're non load bearing, if they're really bad clag em up with body filler as a temporary fix and then treat yourself to a pair of these when spare cash comes your way.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Granada-Mk3-Scorpio-rear-wheel-arch-R-H-/150651407137