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(Message started by: bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 2:16am)

Title: diesel instrument cluster
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 2:16am

instrument cluster for 1998 diesel auto-i suspect any year diesel cluster will do the job

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by PJDavis on Mar 20^th, 2013, 8:13am

Hi Bernard

Aren't all the clusters generic? I've got an instrument cluster off a 2.3.

Peter

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by gozz on Mar 20^th, 2013, 8:38am

on 03/20/13 at 08:13:12, PJDavis wrote:

Hi Bernard

Aren't all the clusters generic? I've got an instrument cluster off a 2.3.

Peter

PJ,the lower spec cars didn't have a computer screen in the rev counter,and as I remember,had one multiplug less at the rear.I have fitted a higher spec one in a limo to replace a low spec,but blanked out the screen.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by SteveO on Mar 20^th, 2013, 10:29am

PM sent

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by SteveO on Mar 20^th, 2013, 10:32am

Is there any difference between manual and auto clusters?

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 3:31pm

on the face of it there is no difference between the manual and auto cluster displays so i am pretty sure there should be no difference in the electrics as the auto box on diesels does not have the overdrive in/out facility warning light seen on petrol autos and that warning light position on the diesel is occupied by an overheat warning light common to both manual and auto models so it looks like there is just a diesel cluster

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Tompion on Mar 20^th, 2013, 5:08pm

The cluster types are here towards the bottom of the page:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/instreset.htm

They may/may not work on other models but some functions may/may not work.

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Tompion on Mar 20^th, 2013, 6:31pm

Just remembered the following that may affect whether or not the rev counter works correctly:

Under 3. Pulses on the link I posted above - "This check allows the engine speed signal coming from the alternator, (12V V6, 2.5 TDi) or the EDIS (all others) to be measured and calibrated. Should show the following numbers at idle:
26 for 4 cylinder DOHC
40 for 6 cylinder 24V
52 for diesel types
200 for 6 cylinder 12V"

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 7:05pm

tompion --thanks ever so for pointing me to this aladdins cave of information that i had not previously explored -i might even find out why my needles bounce every time i start the engine

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Simmo on Mar 20^th, 2013, 8:25pm

on 03/20/13 at 19:05:47, bernard_slade wrote:

tompion --thanks ever so for pointing me to this aladdins cave of information that i had not previously explored -i might even find out why my needles bounce every time i start the engine

The usual reason is low voltage ie battery failing. Common issue. :) Look at Fault finder (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm) and scroll down to relevant item. :)

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Tompion on Mar 20^th, 2013, 8:45pm

I know it's not the reason for your needles bouncing so far, but I should point out if you do an instrument reset the needles will always flick round next time you turn the ignition on.

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 22^nd, 2013, 1:14am

hi tompion i did the reset check and found i have a type 7 cluster everything checked out as in order in particular the voltage with engine running was 14.3 volts which confirms the alternator is charging but of course does not tell me what the instruments get under crankingwhhen the starter is engaged .a static test with a multimeter shows 12.4 volts but again thats with no load so the battery may well have a weak cell. i have sourced an instrument cluster that is in the post and as sods law goes i took the car out for a short run this afternoon and all warning lights behaved perfectly and as the engine was warm from the reset test it didnt even needle flick when starting--im sure it will all go wrong again next time i start with a cold engine but im making progress

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Simmo on Mar 22^nd, 2013, 7:42am

Bernard these cars are well known for needing a lot of power to start. In some instances there may be a reasonable level of battery power and the engine will crank BUT not start.
This (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/battery.htm) article explains all. :) The button link re Charging test may also help. :)

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by PJDavis on Mar 22^nd, 2013, 3:12pm

12.4 Volts is not good enough for any battery. It's starting to go when below 12.5. Mine was at 12.3 for a long time, and even got me through the worst of this winter, but on start-up (even though spinning the engine up ok) the needles always went around the dials whilst it was below 12.4.

Peter

Title: Re: diesel instrument cluster
Post by Simmo on Mar 22^nd, 2013, 4:14pm

Thanks for that Peter. Bears out what has always been said re sufficient power. :)