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(Message started by: Boblavens on Apr 5^th, 2005, 2:24pm)

Title: Police car engines
Post by Boblavens on Apr 5^th, 2005, 2:24pm

I notice from info I read the other day about Scorpio Police cars, that they sometimes ahd a 4.6 Ltr engine1
Can anyone confirm this?
Now that must have been some beast.
cossie owners "Eat your heart out"
Stick wiings on it and Fly away for the weekend!!!!

Bob

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Chad66 on Apr 5^th, 2005, 2:42pm

There's been lots of discussion and rumour about Police cars having 'souped up' engines etc....

It is usual nowadays for Police forces to use the vehicle manufacturers main dealers for repairs and servicing which would disallow any form of modification.

From my knowledge, the only difference is that usually they have a lower equipment spec and therefore lighter, they are usually manual transmission (not always), BUT the most important factor is that the drivers are very highly trained and can get the most performance out of the machine they are driving. I'm talking about the Class1 advanced drivers here, not the run-of-the-mill drivers in their Pandas.

Still, be interested to see whether a 4.6 would go in a Scorpio....

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Phil_Waller on Apr 5^th, 2005, 5:31pm

Granada 24v had an upgraded ECC IV, they are very 'sort after', similar to an aftermarket 'chip' I suppose..

The old SD1's used to be well tuned up - we have a family friend that used to work for the Met at one of the garages where they used to do all the changes and fiddling!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Dave on Apr 5^th, 2005, 6:07pm

4.6 : o !!
Gimme!

Doesn't Nic have an ex-police Scorp? I guess if it had a 4.6 then he'd have gloated by now, but maybe he knows about them.

Where did you read about this, Bob?

D

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Danny_R on Apr 6^th, 2005, 2:28am

My Crown Victoria Police Interceptor has a gas guzzling 4.6 Liter V8. Judging by the physical size of the engine i'd say its way too big to fit the scorpio's engine bay!

The cossie engine looks to be a bit of a squeeze in the scorp. Maybe it was in an old granada or something :-/

Danny_R

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Mottsy on Apr 6^th, 2005, 11:05am

Being an Ex Traffic Officer I can confirm that the engines were standard on the traffic cars.
Suspension, alternators and batteries were upgraded to help with the additional equiptment that was carried and lights, sirens radio etc.
Other than that the only difference was the lower spec. No air con, no electric windows etc, although these items are now included as they are standard and it would cost more to produce a car without them.

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 6^th, 2005, 7:29pm

I'd make them without engines and make the b****rs push 'em to earn that overinflated pension they get!!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Mottsy on Apr 6^th, 2005, 9:08pm

The pension looks good but what you are not told is that they take 11.5% of your wages to pay for it!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 6^th, 2005, 10:25pm

But wouldn't we all do that if we could retire at 48 and a half (If you join up at eighteen) I keep telling my lad to do it just like a lad who worked for me....his wife joined up with the promise of a 50 grand payout on retirement and a cracking pension...who wouldn't!?

They should make them work to 65 like the rest of us instead of letting all the experienced ones leave to be replaced by rookies all the time

Just my opinion of course!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by KEEF on Apr 7^th, 2005, 5:35am

Baz M8 ;)
Are you sure, you have thought this through !! I can see you being pulled over quite a bit in the not so distant future. It would be a shame to have too change your new number plate M8.
And I don't think adding "just my opinion of course" has a after thought , will get you off the hook. ;D
(BRAVE MAN) You could try telling them you had been drinking, but not and driving. @ Good luck my old china.
Oh and what sort of cake would you like the file to be in.
;D
KEEF
Keith

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Eddie on Apr 7^th, 2005, 2:55pm

Pain in the butt they may be on occasions, but dont forget,if you aint done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about!
What would life be like without them,Somalia?

eddie (the angel ;D)

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 7^th, 2005, 6:11pm

I have no axe to grind with the police. I have no criminal record of any kind and neither do any members of my family. I just think they should be made to work for as long as the rest of us do. I have voiced these same opinions in the local and national press on countless occasions and maybe one day, someone will listen and we can all stop forking out for [police pensions 20 years or so before we are able to retire

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Mottsy on Apr 7^th, 2005, 6:14pm

on 04/06/05 at 22:25:35, Baz wrote:

Well Baz you are entitled to your opinion but I wonder what facts you have to make an informed opinion.

Thus far I have served for more than 22 years. During that time I have been injured more times than I can remember mostly from having to fight villains, (normally more than one. They are very brave when there is a gang of them.).
After several of these assaults I have eventually woken up in hospital, and my wife has had the worry of two high ranking Officers attending our home to give her the news, not knowing when she answered the door if I was injured or dead.
My six year old daughter has seen me return home on a number of occasions covered in blood, and with various wounds stitched up and limbs in plaster. The last time she asked me to leave the job so “You won’t get hurt any more daddy”. That made me cry.

Due to the number of injuries I have endured over the years, amongst other more minor things; I have a disabled right wrist. (I had operations to try and fix it but to no avail. It is very weak and gives me constant pain. Eventually when it becomes unbearable the wrist joint will be fused.) The balance mechanism in my inner ear no longer works properly following a blow to the back of my head with an iron bar but after lots of physiotherapy I can cope with this.

During my time I have been commended for arresting a deranged madman armed with a loaded shotgun, also for the arrest or an armed robber. (On both of these occasions I was armed with an eighteen inch wooden stick!) I have been presented with a Royal Humane Society award for crawling into an overturned crashed car that was on fire and leaking fuel, cutting the seatbelt off the passenger, dragging her clear and then going back to get the driver out. (There have also been a lot of lesser awards and mentions in despatches etc.)
I have both saved lives and had to watch helpless at times when people’s injuries were so great that I could not do anything despite trying my hardest. Then on many occasions I have then gone to these peoples houses to tell their loved ones the news. (That has always been the hardest job to do.)

Over the years I have put a fair number of very nasty people away where they can cause any more misery. I am currently seconded to a special operation that targets paedophiles. Our success rates are extremely high and a number of these are already behind bars as a direct result of my investigations, with hopefully many more to follow.

Now I don’t know exactly what your problem is with Police Officers being able to retire after 30 years service, but if you really think my family and I have suffered all this and more just for the pension you are very mistaken. (Infact when I hear people like you go on I wonder why I ever joined.)

With my injuries and disabilities I could apply for a medical pension tomorrow but that is not what I joined for.
At least at the moment I can still draw a pension when I retire, over the years many of my friends have been injured far more seriously or died on duty. One was even murdered; Shot dead in his patrol car even though he was not armed.

At the end of the day you might not think I deserve my pension after just thirty years of service, even after all I have just posted. But I dam well know I have earned it. Every penny of it and quite literally with blood, sweat and tears let along almost giving my right arm for the job.

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 7^th, 2005, 6:32pm

You too are entitled to your opinion as a serving copper as am I as a member of the public who trust the likes of you to protect us from these nutters you speak of for which we are all very grateful

I too have had many incidents over my many years in work I have been mugged outside a factory taking my tools back to my car after a 21 hour shift and spent 2 weeks in hospital, I have been attacked on numerous occasions whilst out with my mates for no reason and many times have fought back sucessfully.

I have had major traumas in life my first wife was murdered at the gentle age of 22 by a man who was constantly arrested and realeasd on police bail in fact he was on bail when my wife was strangled, then stabbed by him. He got a life sentence (now there's a joke) and after 11 years whilst in a category C prison and on weekend leave, he also stabbed and killed another woman. I have had to explain to my 2 year old that mummy isn't ever coming home again and to constantly explain to him over the last 17 years and to try and mould him into a law abiding man who doesn't want to wait till the guy who killed his mum gets out of the nick so he can kill him!

I don't have any issues in particular Mottsy but we all have our crosses to bear and I have a very strong opinion on those who uphold the law able to retire at such a young age and thus wasting all of that experience that could be used to teach kids in school or in the community how to be good people.

That is my opinion and I make no apologies for it or any other I hold. You coppers do a bloody good and hard job but the rest of us do too sometimes with equally bad conditions.

I am now going to hoover my car

Baz

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Mottsy on Apr 7^th, 2005, 7:08pm

Baz,

I feel for your loss and suffering, I really do. I obviously have no idea of the details of the incidents you mentioned but was it the fault of the Police that this man was released on bail?
Obviously I don’t know, but I do know that we can only enforce the laws we are given to work with. I dislike releasing offenders on bail as do my colleagues. Whenever possible I will try and remand in custody. Unfortunately a person is entitled to bail as a right unless we can find adequate reasons to refuse it and even then the magistrates or judge will still sometimes let them go. Surely you can not think that we want the bad guys roaming the streets any more than you.

As for sentencing and prison, again look to the government. Our job is to try and amass enough evidence to secure a conviction. I can assure you with all the rules and regulation this is becoming harder and harder every day.
All we can do is try and get the bad guys in front of the judge. After that it is out of our hands.
To secure a conviction you used to prove the matter beyond a “reasonable doubt.” Now it seem to me they it needs to be proved beyond any doubt whatsoever!

Then if the offender is found guilty comes the sentencing. Again we have no control over this. Do I believe that sentencing is set to the correct level? No I do not. Sentences should be much tougher to act as a deterrent and the sentence given should be the sentence served.

All in all the rights of the criminals appear to have got stronger and stronger over the years to the detriment of the honest hardworking majority who deserve much better protection from the law.

(I should add that these are my own opinions and do not necessarily reflect those of any Police Force.)

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 7^th, 2005, 7:56pm

Then lets all vote for an end to human rights legislation that gives the criminal all the rights, an end to no win no fee solicitors that know all of the ways to get guilty men off and daft compensation claims for people stupid enough not to watch where they are walking.

An end to probation officers who always believe that the criminal can be reformed when all logic states otherwise. I had two young "kids" (Probation officers!!) sat in my living room with me 9 years after my loss; telling me that the guy who did it was "a reformed character" and had "found God!!" to which I asked them to come back and see me when he got let out and after he had killed someone else..........He got out and killed again and I am still waiting for them to get in touch

I had to go through the mither of having press people outside my mums and former mother-in-laws houses and coppers parked outside in case he fulfilled his court room promise that he would come for me...I was waiting I can tell you!!

I apologise Mottsy if this came across like I was anti-police, that couldn’t be further from the truth, I even wanted to join up myself at one time but never bothered in the end (even though I’d be retiring in 6 years!!) I have actively encouraged my son to join up, one of the guys who works for me; his wife is a copper and is actually quite bearable too!

OK, I am now off to the gym where I will work up a sweat and then relax in the Jacuzzi and imagine I am putting the world to rights all over again

Baz

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by JohnJ on Apr 9^th, 2005, 8:49am

That was some reading! I feel for you Baz... And love the devotion you have for your job motsy.

Could'nt even begin to imagine the pain of lossing you other half in that way......

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Apr 9^th, 2005, 9:49am

Thank you John....it was a long time ago and things have moved on. I am married again and have a 3 year old train loving son as well as my big lump of a 19 year old all living in the same house (when big one aint at Uni!!)

It tends to take your mind off things a bit!!!

Baz

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Boblavens on May 24^th, 2005, 6:55pm

So does Baz also expect the Armed forces to "go on till they drop" at 65?
They come out with a pension at 40!!
Can you imagine a 60yr old Sargent or Corporal??
I hate to think

Bob

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on May 24^th, 2005, 7:50pm

Of course not Bob, that would be ridiculous my argument has always been that they let all the experience walk out of the door at 48 and leave it to the jumped up teenagers with attitude that drive round in panda cars all day. They should be moved to desk jobs or driving duties or paperwork for the ones out doing the hard job of nicking people.

Anyway, I employ lots of ex-army guys as a way back into civvy life and most are so conditioned that they are never going to fit into a "proper job" anyway. One was an ex army sargeant who insisted on calling me sir....all the bloody time.....for 4 years!!

He left.....(Thankfully)

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Max Payne on Oct 13^th, 2005, 4:40am

on 04/06/05 at 02:28:54, Danny_R wrote:

Dude, if we can fit a 460 Cubic Inch Ford Bigblock in our Rangers, you can fit a 4.6L in your Scorpio's!

But, like us, inner fenders have to be disposed of.

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Oct 13^th, 2005, 8:52am

Trouble is Max, we couldn't afford to run 4.6 litre engines over here because fuel is way too expensive! and you lot over there are using it all up too quickly running 4.6 litre engines!!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by gaz01gaz on Oct 13^th, 2005, 9:46am

wow...isnt it weird how a topic starts and ends..... ???

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Max Payne on Oct 13^th, 2005, 1:38pm

on 10/13/05 at 08:52:49, Baz wrote:

Trouble is Max, we couldn't afford to run 4.6 litre engines over here because fuel is way too expensive! and you lot over there are using it all up too quickly running 4.6 litre engines!!

Fuel over here has spiked quite a bit, so there isn't as many people wanting to buy anything with 8 cylinders right now, let alone get something with an old 460 in it!

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Thunderchild on Oct 13^th, 2005, 1:47pm

I just LOVE this site!!!! Never a dull moment and posts on every subject under the sun.

Baz I too feel for you even though I can't imagine what it is like to lose someone that close and Motsy.... what can I say mate except thank you for the dedication and service you have given. If only all coppers were like you this country would be a much safer place.

Now then 4.6l engine?? Lovely, let's have one and I'll convert it to run on LPG. Then we don't have to worry about poluting the planet or using all that petrol. I wonder just how fast the old girl would go with one of those under the bonnet??

Anyway guys keep up the good work, the entertainment value alone makes it worth dropping in regularly.

Thunderchild

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Danny_R on Oct 13^th, 2005, 2:59pm

Quote:

My Crown Victoria Police Interceptor has a gas guzzling 4.6 Liter V8. Judging by the physical size of the engine Id say its way too big to fit the Scorpio's engine bay!

The cossie engine looks to be a bit of a squeeze in the scorp. Maybe it was in an old Granada or something

Danny_R

Dude, if we can fit a 460 Cubic Inch Ford Big block in our Rangers, you can fit a 4.6L in your Scorpio's!

But, like us, inner fenders have to be disposed of.

Agreed, but I was talking about the 281 4.6L in my crown Vic.

How on earth did you manage to fit a 460 big block in a ranger :o :o :o that must be a tight squeeze!

Kind Regards

Danny_R

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by DJWerkz on Oct 13^th, 2005, 7:38pm

If it's the same 460/500 derivitive that was used in the old Cadillacs (I have a spare 500 big-block), then it was well known their physical dimensions were actually quite small as big-blocks go.

Saying that, still don't relish the task of putting it in a Ranger.

I was looking for something interesting to put my 500 block in as most drag racers from the USA will tell you, the casting GM used for this made it the strongest block to ever come out of the plant. Something to do with the metal mix?!?

Trouble is, most people will opt for crate motors or Chevy/MOPAR V8's as they are much less expensive to modify than the old Caddy 500.

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Danny_R on Oct 14^th, 2005, 2:14pm

Yes! those 500 Cubic Inch caddy engines! 8 Liters of Muscle :P :P :P

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by kskjon on Nov 6^th, 2005, 5:15pm

Didn't I see pictures o a 5 litre Scorp somewhere? (Custom job ofcourse)

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by nuttyscorp on Nov 6^th, 2005, 8:43pm

really?

biggest i heard of so far is 3.7 (cossie)

would love to see pics if you ever find it!

Russ

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by kskjon on Nov 6^th, 2005, 10:04pm

I _think_ I saw pictures of one once.. Not 100% sure though.. Hope I can find it again.

Too bad the engine bay isn't as big as in the mk2 Granada.. There's one here in Norway with an BOSS 700cid (11.5 litres) dragster-engine.. Tuned DOWN to 1200bhp (2000bhp when on NOs). 1500Nm torque without NOs.

http://www.grombil.com/Grombiler/Xtreme_racing/MM-Racing_Granada/Granada.html

And yes.. it's road legal ;D

Title: Re: Police car engines
Post by Baz on Nov 6^th, 2005, 11:10pm

yikes..... :o