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(Message started by: mazzy_j on May 24^th, 2007, 9:57pm)

Title: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by mazzy_j on May 24^th, 2007, 9:57pm

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Alas my poor diesel i think will be written after a little prang with an out of control audi spinning across all 3 lanes which had the m25 jnct 4 shut off for a bit this evening :( From the pictures below you can probably guess how im feeling at the moment...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/mazzy_j/74NG0316.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/mazzy_j/74NG0312.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/mazzy_j/74NG0310.jpg

Both the wings are bent from where he hit me twice (on the passenger side first then again on the drivers side after he rebounded off the central crash barrier), the bonnet is squashed, and the remains of the bumper are in various sized pieces (most of it in the central reservation!).

I'm guessing it's a write off, the annoying thing is i got my harewood pass through the post this morning!! >:(

Matt

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by lesmond on May 24^th, 2007, 10:11pm

OMG You must be gutted :o hope the other guy was insured ???

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by TiberiuS on May 24^th, 2007, 10:51pm

Jesus Matt that's unlucky :'(

It's not only the damage, it's the alignment - you can see where it's pushed the front out of square :(

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 24^th, 2007, 11:38pm

hi there

soory to hear that. :'(

it is fix-able though, look at the wack mine took. :(

all comes down to how much the insurance will pay out to write it off. if it's peanuts, you can make them fix it as it wasn't your fault.

glad you walked away from it, though. :)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on May 25^th, 2007, 12:03am

Sorry to hear that Matt, iits made a mess of it but doesnt look too major though, mainly cosmetic (probably a write off but fixable)

couple of wings, slam panel, bonnet, lights and a bumper should sort it hopefully.

Andrews took a lot harder shunt than that and he got his sorted out fairly cheaply.

I have a bonnet and a bumper you can have, I can try and organise getting them down to you if you want them

Stuart

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by jonnycab on May 25^th, 2007, 1:23am

Glad you're okay mate...shame about the Scorp though :(

How come the Audi span across three lanes ?

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Simmo on May 25^th, 2007, 6:20am

Mat !!!, :( what a mess. Glad you're ok. If as the 'experts' suggest you do go for a repair Bridges Car Breakers at Pease Pottage (Crawley) usually have a couple of Scorps and I'd be more than happy to check out whats around for you. Just ask. Good luck, Mike. :(

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Dave on May 25^th, 2007, 8:17am

Awww no thats not a good sight, sorry Matt :( >:(

Agree it should be fixable though - let us know if we can help :)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 25^th, 2007, 8:23am

hi there

i could bring the bonnet and bumper to harewood, if that's any good to you?

hth

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by mazzy_j on May 25^th, 2007, 8:42am

Thanks you for your offers of help, muchly appreciated :) Stuart and Andrew, that would be great, i'll be happy to pay for any costs involved getting bits to me, i'll make it up to Harewood one way or another! although i've just phoned my insurer and they say its a gonner, but i'll be going back to the yard where its been dropped off to have a proper look now i've had some sleep and see if any vital organs have been damaged. Don't worry i'll get it fixed no matter how much duct tape it takes ;) ;D

How it happened was i was sitting in the slow lane doing 60mph nice relaxed drive home when all of a sudden i see this gold audi come shooting up the hardshoulder undertaking me. just as he gets ahead he clipped a barrier on the left (protecting the support of a flyover bridge) which flung him into the left side off me dragging me across all 3 lanes. he then hits the barrier in the middle spins and then i hit him again in the side pushing him forward about a bus length.

Even the police said i didnt stand a chance :(
Lucky thing was if there had been people in the lanes besides me it could have been much much worse.

The audi was a complete wreck, i got off lightly in comparison:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/mazzy_j/74NG0315.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/mazzy_j/74NG0314.jpg

Strangely neither of our airbags went off, and despite being belted up being of the tall variety i still managed to wack my head on the side pillar which dazed me a bit but i refused to let them get another ambulance over or take me to hospital because i was more worried about my poor car! its strange how the mind of a car nut thinks after his pride and joy has been given a couple of black eyes ::)

Matt

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by fordnut on May 25^th, 2007, 8:49am

Sorry to see your car like that but some of the guys on this site seem to think your car can be repaired and with the help of a great site like this i really hope thats the case.But most important of all is that you walked away from the accident ...best of luck if you decied to get her repaired....

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 25^th, 2007, 8:52am

hi matt

work something out with stuart and i can then meet up him and get the parts.

let us know how you get on with the car.

regards

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by petehull on May 25^th, 2007, 9:02am

:-[

Sorry to hear about your greif mazzy, glad your ok...
Best wishes
Pete

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Spannerdemon on May 25^th, 2007, 9:27am

Quote:

i see this gold audi come shooting up the hardshoulder undertaking me.

Surely that's HIM completely in the wrong anyway. I mean what the hell was he doing undertaking you AND (illegally) on the hard shoulder? He obviously hadn't broken down if he passed you at over 60mph.

Main thing is that YOU haven't been hurt. Hit his insurance company for every penny that you can. Taxis, Hire Car, Lost earnings, Inconvenience, Whiplash, and all the rest.

Glad you're OK. That's the main thing. ;)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Geeker on May 25^th, 2007, 10:29am

Oh my goodness, what a nightmare and there was nothing you could do stop it, let alone avoid it!. I'm glad you weren't seriously hurt.

It's always the same innit, you try your best to keep something you treasure looking nice and it's always some other Numpty who comes along and totally spoils it for you :(

Good luck in getting it all fixed up again :)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Grumpyg1t on May 25^th, 2007, 10:35am

I had the same thing happen to me back in Feb my car (not a scorp) looked the same but i rebuilt it from parts i had donated from a friend off another forum. It's suprising once you get the mangled panels off how little damage there is underneath, once you have got the cosmetic stuff off get a local body shop to check the straightness of the front end get that sorted the rest you can do yourself. I am glad your OK but it plays with your head more than anything for a while, I hope things work out for you.

Richard

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Ultima2300 on May 25^th, 2007, 4:26pm

Hope you can get it back together.

I know how you feel - glad you're ok

Geoff

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Matt on May 25^th, 2007, 6:07pm

Matt,

as you know my im breaking my cossie,

looking at the damage i'll have all the parts needed to get her back on the road, i'll be removing the front wings off the cossie, and ive got the bonet, preface lift lights and bumper off the red one (they'll need tarting up though).

let me know if intrested and give me a list of whats damaged,

im in birmingham

Matt :)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by TRACEYS_LIMO on May 25^th, 2007, 6:51pm

OUCH YOUR OK THATS THE MAIN THING :) ON EBAY A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK SOME ONE.WAS SELLING , NEW FORD WINGS FOR A SCORPIO FOR ABOUT £25 ;)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by TRACEYS_LIMO on May 25^th, 2007, 6:53pm

keep posting up dates my 2.3 is going to be scrapped soon and your welcome to any thing that will fit ;D

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on May 25^th, 2007, 7:10pm

Andrew, I'll check again but from memory I'm sure a Scorp bonnet doesnt fit in the back of the estate

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 25^th, 2007, 8:12pm

hi stuart

i was going to put it on the roof, bumper in the rear. ;)

let me know if i can help.

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by TiberiuS on May 25^th, 2007, 8:52pm

Jesus Matt, just looking at the pictures of the Audi. You was lucky there mate.

Hope you can fix it, surely the other guy was insured?

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by mazzy_j on May 25^th, 2007, 10:21pm

I went to see her today, the damage goes beyond the skin im afraid. The whole of the front has been pushed back and to the side slightly and the radiator fans have been wrecked when they hit the engine. The rad has escaped injury though :)

I have a feeling one of the engine mounts has sheared off from what i saw and the fact the engine jumps around a bit (more than the VM td usual ;)) but i really need to get a torch in there to confirm.

The first impact was so hard that he actually managed to bend the steering rod which is nearly an inch think! The camber and alignment is pointing in all different directions, i havnt had a look at the roll bar or any of the other suspension bits yet but i will tomorrow.

Quote:

I mean what the hell was he doing undertaking you AND (illegally) on the hard shoulder? He obviously hadn't broken down if he passed you at over 60mph.

Apparently from what he told one of the witnesses is that he had swerved to avoid a car (which no one can say they saw...) but what i dont understand is why he had kept accelerating past me once on the hard shoulder ??? i have a feeling he may possibly have fallen asleep as he said he doesnt remember anything until he hit me, i cant say for 100% but something wasnt right.

Yes he was insured, we were recovered on the same truck and he seems a nice chap, he apologised about my car and said the least he could do was buy me a coffee back at the depot. I've been tooing and froing from various claims departments and telling them exactly the same thing over and over again, first thing tomorrow i find out if i have a hire car. For some reason they wont insure me on my cossie as a) im not selling it and b) my car isnt in for repairs, which doesnt quite make much sense :-/ if they give me a hire car so long as its comfy enough to do my 100 mile round trip commute to and form work i dont really mind.

As the day has gone on i really could do with seeing a doctor as my back is getting quite painful from sitting/lying down, but it being a bank hol the surgery is closed and i dont fancy waiting in A&E for days. Sainsbury's 48p 2 in one painkillers seem to be doing the trick though :) Hopefully it wont be too long term is i've my full motorcycle test booked for 2 weeks time and i need to get some practice in which at the moment i cant do...

Thanks once again for making me feel better about it all knowing it can be fixed with a bit of time, I will do my best to get her back on the road again, work knows im quite attached to my scorpio so i dont think they would mind me borrowing machines/tools to try and save what i can. Even though she's a short walk off the 1/4 million miles mark theres still plenty of life left in her yet! With the wealth of knowledge and help on here there should be no problem getting back on the road again (albeit with a few bandages) ;D

It all now comes down to what the insurance people have to say tomorrow...

Kind Regards,

Matt

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 26^th, 2007, 1:22pm

hi matt

i've emailed you the repair manual. it's got all the figures regarding panel alignment, etc.

re parts. if you still need them from stuart, i can pick them up on thursday or saturday.

regards

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on May 26^th, 2007, 1:38pm

I might be able to drop them at yours sometime next week Andrew. watch this space ;D

In fact i'm heading down to Chester in aTransit on Wednesday if that helps anyone at all ;D

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by jonnycab on May 26^th, 2007, 3:19pm

Regarding your back Matt. You really should have gone in the ambulance, but all is not lost.

Go to A&E in the morning (usually quietest time) & tell them the pain has come on since you had a car accident a few days ago. They should see you pretty quick & once the pain has been diagnosed & you have it in writing, then approach the insurance company & put in a claim for physical pain, time off work etc.

If the back trouble is going to last long term,i.e...slipped disc or damaged vertibrae, then you could get a pretty large payout ;)

While your there get your head checked out as well...just in case the back is okay ;)
Especially if you've started getting headaches, blurred vision etc ;) ;D

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Matt on May 26^th, 2007, 6:04pm

any body know a good cut and shut bloke? front of my cossie on the rear of matts lol, still hope you arnt to badly hurt, but at the same time if things go to cort, might be best to get some witnesses who can say that you've had problems since the crash/ on pain killers...

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Pegasus on May 27^th, 2007, 11:06pm

Gawd Matt - what a nightmare. Glad you're ok-ish - Do NOT delay: make sure you get yourself checked out thoroughly and don't be afraid to mention any pain/discomfort no matter how slight or insignificant you think it is ;). Remember - some things may take a few days to become evident.

Hope you get it all sorted

All the best

Paul

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by mazzy_j on May 28^th, 2007, 9:50pm

Quote:

While your there get your head checked out as well...just in case the back is okay

}{ }{ ;D

Thank you for the repair guide Andrew, as much as i would love to fix her up again I really am not too sure of the fate of the old girl as of yet, the underneith really is a bit of a mess unfortunately with various important parts mangled :( i'm still waiting for the assessor to come round to have a look...

One thing that will definately need doing are the wings, i've never replaced wings before so was wondering how easy are the old ones to get off? With them off would it be possible to then make up bolt fixings to secure them like with many french cars?

Another worrying thing is that with the engine running the whole car shakes and makes a very loud droning noise, nothing is rubbing on the drivebelt so i'm scratching me head with that one ??? when i switch it off it feels as though its trying to break free and jump through the bonnet :-/

Thanks again,

Matt

p.s. my insurer wont let me drive my cossie for some reason (i usually do a pay-as-you-go thing), so instead they've given me a brand new freelander td with all the bells and whistles to play with, its nice with lots of buttons and gadgets but it doesnt come close in character and comfort to the Scorpio, i'm just blending in with all the other euro-boxes :(

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 29^th, 2007, 6:30am

hi matt

it does sound a bit of a mess. :'(

mines was all bodywork, no mechanical damage. that's the thing i said i'd walk away from. you never know what damage has been done to engine, steering, gearbox, etc.

might be better to walk away this time and buy a new one, depending on what the insurance offer you. :-/

let us know how you get on.

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Spannerdemon on May 29^th, 2007, 8:37am

I'm not one of these guys who is into this 'compensation culture'. In fact I think it's gone OTT.

BUT.......In your case.....Until the time this guy hit you, you had a well running, and perfectly serviceable car!

So forgive this long post, which I hope will point out at least some of the pitfalls facing you. ;) ;)

I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not up to date with current legislation, but I did work in the accident branch of a large firm of lawyers for a number of years from 1995-2001. We also have a barrister, and a solicitor in the family.

Do yourself a favour. You should very carefully work out the FULL cost of what this shunt has cost you in terms of the damage, injuries (which may not yet be apparent), so DO see a doctor), find out how long you will have the loan car for, and allow for taxis if it's for a limited period. Factor in ALL costs which you incur (even your pain killers from Sainsburys) keep receipts. Lost wages, phone calls, time spent writing letters etc etc are all costs to consider, but a Solicitor will advise you.

Golden rule of any accident claim is this SIGN NOTHING until you are completely happy with the settlement figure. Believe me on this. The 'other sides' insurance company will make the lowest offer in the book. Make it clear from Day 1 that you are having nothing to do with any Mickey Mouse settlement.

I know you say that the other guy is quite a nice bloke, but the fact is, he's wrecked your car!! >:( I suspect that the insurance company will offer you some derisory figure for the Scorpio. No way. Make it clear that you want FULL settlement, otherwise you WILL put it in the hands of a solicitor. A solicitor will get you the FULL amount, even if it means also suing the other driver for the balance.

YOU did nothing wrong here. There's no reason for YOU to lose a penny over this. HE was driving and undertaking you at a higher speed to the speed at which YOU were travelling, on the hard shoulder of a Motorway. A totally illegal manœuvre whatever the circumstances. He hasn't got a leg to stand on. A police report would be useful if you can get one.

You will NOT incur any costs because the solicitor will claim ALL costs from the third party.

Please don't use one of these 'shark' accident claim outfits. 100% of them are con jobs. I know!!

Use a REAL solicitor. If I was in your shoes, personally I would be doing this today.

Finally, and this is the annoying bit. It will take time to sort this out, so make absolutely sure that you hang onto the replacement car for as long as it takes. This is one of your biggest levers. They will want it back ASAP. The longer you have it, the more the insurance company will want to get off their butts and settle up. Make it clear to them that if they want it back, you will need to take taxis (due to your commuting distance), and that all the costs of those will be going on the bill from that point.

Use Jonnycab............He'll give you some nice big receipts!! :o :o ;D ;D Only Joking.

KEEP ALL RECEIPTS. repeat KEEP ALL RECEIPTS. These really are important.

I hope this helps you, because I know the accident business pretty well, and believe me, they WILL try to screw you, whilst at the same time making out that they are REALLY doing you all the favours in the book with their 'excellent settlement'. Have NONE of it. Stay firm, and insist on a FULL payout to include ALL your costs, INCLUDING (often overlooked), the cost of finding, viewing, re-insuring, taxing and having another similar if not identical car to the one you had prior to the accident.

Again: There is NO REASON that YOU should be one penny out of pocket over this incident.

Good luck with the car, and hope you get it back on the road, although it does sound to be not too good, and I suspect that it may well be a total from what you're saying. ;)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by petehull on May 29^th, 2007, 9:28am

[] with Spannerdeamon

Mazzy
I wholeheartedly agree with Spanners on this one, they will be rocking in their shoes as to the amounts they will end up paying out. This other guy may be a nice person but if he was he wouldn't have been overtaking you on the inside, on the hard shoulder etc etc. As was said, before ths happened you had your car, now you have got the problems of "repairing your car" Tell yourself, it's the end and at best it will go to swell the supplies of S/H parts.
Stick out for the best settlement possible, see the doctor and get documented evidence for EVERYTHING, even if you get out of breath running for the bus (grin)
Don't worry about the time it takes, the cost will be to the other party (insurance) even if they have to pay for the building of a NEW SCORPIO, (that would be nice wouldn't it) Most of all, tell yourself that "if this had gone the other way it could have been the end of not only your Scorpio, but the end of YOUR life and everyone elses grief.

I do hope you make the right decisions and wish you all the best on the outcome, as I'm sure all the rest of our friends on this site do... Keep it going bud... ;)

Pete

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by TiberiuS on May 29^th, 2007, 2:43pm

Insurance assessor will write it off, it's a foregone conclusion.

But, you've got a chance of getting more if you stand and fight it, like we did with the Capri when it got rear ended. They offered £300 if it was written off, it took 7 months, a lot of photos and a lot of photocopied repair bills and history plus an agreed valuation of the car but we got £2600 and got to keep the car. Ok, it never got fixed but I still have it in the garage complete with damage. It proves the point that David can win over Goliath.

IMO mate it does look bent, you can see it from the slam panel. It'd need alignment work at least before you could repair it - same with the Capri, it only pushed in the rear panel and creased the driver's side rear wing but on the road it'd pull strongly to the left at 30mph, if you stood behind it you could see where the impact knocked the axle frame off centre :(. But, don't listen to the insurance company, if you're able, get a good bodyshop to look at it and get at least 2 quites for repair. THEN decide what you're going to do.

Regards, Bruce.

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by scorpio_man on May 31^st, 2007, 11:38am

hi matt

do you still want the bumper and bonnet brought down to harewood?

i could get them from stuart sometime on saturday.

let me know what you want done. :)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on May 31^st, 2007, 11:19pm

Saturdays good for me, even got the right colour ;)

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on Jun 1^st, 2007, 10:46pm

Do you want them Matt?
They're still on the car, can take them off in the morning for Andrew but i'd rather leave them on if you dont want them.

Stuart

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by Highlander on Jun 2^nd, 2007, 12:29pm

Got a pm from Matt, doesnt look like the car is going to repaired so the spares dont need collected

Title: Re: Crash. I think thats the end of my diesel :(
Post by LiverpaulH on Jun 13^th, 2007, 5:10pm

Just seen this, so my commiserations are a bit late matt. Are you feeling fully ok yet?

Keep us informed on what happens.

Cheers
Paul